Tom Fallos (The Card Carver) brings LUXURY NOSTALGIA to his craft by SCARCITY | Hosted by Ryan Alford

When I started making these cards, I started just cutting them up. In the beginning, it was kind of hard to even sell them for like 25 bucks. There was a lot of people, if not the majority, that would just laugh. The artists typically that have talent and stick with it have the last laugh. A lot of times. Welcome to Trading Cards and Collectibles Podcast on the Radcast Network. From Chasing Grails, the Colin Bluffs. I'm going inside the hobby. Are you ready to collect? Let's get at it. Here is your host, Ryan Alford. All about the guests here on the show. We're bringing you the best, the brightest, the coolest in the collectibles, the hobby, the game that is collecting. You know, I met this guy at the National Officially and immediately attracted, because I'm an art guy. I'm a creative guy. I've been in the addings to business a long time and saw what he was doing. And it caught my attention. It's going to catch yours if it hasn't already. He is Tom Fallos. He is the card, Carver. What's up, Tom? Hey, man. Thanks for having me on. Yeah, man. I'm pumped. I'm excited to have you on the show. It was a great meeting you at the National. I really love what you're doing. I love the category you're creating. You know, there's people doing a lot of different things. But there's a uniqueness to your style and the way that you're capturing moments and time and players and the energy with which the artwork that you're doing. So really respect what you're doing and excited for people to learn more about it. And all that card carbon you're doing. Well, I appreciate it, man. I mean, I'm definitely not the only card artist that is out here, you know, kind of paving the way that there's a whole community of people. I'm just one of many. I've been fortunate to have been at it for a while now. And it's been really awesome to see it grow the way that it has. Yeah, man. It's a crazy industry booming in all kinds of different ways. And I think the unique artwork that you're doing and that style. I think there's definitely, I don't know, there's drops happening. I don't know, there's really fun intersection with the technology of, I don't know, live component, social media. And then your artwork and everything with it, I don't know, it's a great, it's a fun time to be getting back into the hobby and seeing all the creativity that's happening. I love, you know, I'm looking at like this LeBron James card that we've got on the board and Kobe. It's like, I don't know, the way that you can document and sort of bring to life these moments in time is awesome. I appreciate it. It's really cool to take pieces like the one that you're talking about the LeBron there that's up on the screen where that's something that tops issued with Chuck Stiles, who's now, you know, a friend of mine and an artist that I looked up to and still do, you know, for a long time, to take that card where there's so many of them that tops printed and then breathe an entirely different life into it is always a lot, it's a lot of fun, you know, to see that idea come to life and to have Chuck sign it and I sign it and then to have other companies then authenticate them after is just, it's pretty nuts. You know, when I started making these cards, I started just cutting them up in that style and in the beginning, it was kind of hard to even sell them for like 25 bucks. People in Facebook groups would laugh when I'd post them and I was just making them for fun, you know, to start. It wasn't really something that I started making them thinking I was going to monetize it or anything, but I started making them and I recognized that they could be collectible and people would want them and like I said, in the beginning, there was a lot of people if not the majority that would just laugh. So to see a grow to where it is now is, you know, like I said, it's just incredible. Well, the artist typically that have talent and stick with it have the last laugh a lot of times. Yeah. For sure, consistency is super key. I have seen a lot of guys come and a lot of guys go and not a lot of guys go out and hit the road the way that I do, which helps a lot, you know, meeting people face to face like we were able to and to connect is totally different than just being on Instagram or Twitter or whatever and maybe where I see a lot of guys just kind of stay. But I also recognize that the way that I move isn't for everybody either, you know, not everybody wants to put their face out there and travel. It's just not for everyone. So I recognize that and I use it to the best of my ability, you know, take full advantage of it and just keep doing what I enjoy doing and being myself, which I know has also been really key to my success. So, you know, like it's foot on the gas. Yeah, man. And I mean, the consistency is it though. It's like, I don't know, but I don't care how talented you are, what you do. Certainly there can be like these moments like you catch, I don't know, magic in a ball or something, but it's all about stacking the wins and like people getting and seeing what you're doing consistently and okay, you do one card and you do 10 of them or something. You have like a big launch. But then if you don't follow that up and keep like consistent product in the market and new artwork and new different things and that's where I get that's hard. Like, you know, a lot of people can't stick with that, but you're obviously getting traction and sticking with it and finding these moments to stand out and that's the key and a lot of things to have success across industries. For sure, I feel like if you're not taking risks, you're not going to really get very far. I sometimes will create art and put it out, knowing that it's something that's not going to resonate with the majority of people might be something that I just really wanted to see myself that, you know, really resonated with me and I just wanted to create it and get it out of my head and I make it and I drop it and only a couple people are interested. And that's just one of those things where as an artist, if you're the type of person that's a creative, you have to just keep creating. So you can't just pick and choose, you just have to make it and see what happens. What's the creative process like for you? You know, talk me through like where the inspiration comes, the process for creating a piece, releasing it, you know, kind of top to bottom. Well, there's a few different ways that I create pieces. There's the cut pieces, which is where my name came from, the card carver, where I take existing cards from tops and other manufacturers, I cut them up and then I make them into a new piece of art basically. I'm usually creating a shadow box. I'm taking the edges of cards, cutting them out, just the border and then I'm stacking them so that I can then build the card so that has, you know, a 3D aspect to it. And then I also design stuff digitally and I print them and when I do those, it's usually a drop of 10, which is something that I think is going to continue to be key to my success is not creating too many pieces. There's guys that are printing 20, 30, maybe even 40 sometimes. Some honestly, we don't even know how many some of these guys are printing. So I try to keep it to 10. There's one sample, one artist proof and sometimes there's the gold frame canvas I call them, where I print just a one-of-one on canvas and then I apply a 22-karat gold-plated metal frame to the canvas and I always auction those off. So yeah, I'm either cutting them up or I'm designing something digitally. Everything that I do is really comes from the heart and is influenced by all the things that I've consumed in my lifetime. I don't really like to just do sports. I like to mash things up, you know, why be confined to just making kangaroo feet Jr. baseball card when I can mash kangaroo feet Jr. up with everything else that I love so much. Yeah, that's an interesting point. I mean, you do have this intersection of culture, sports, a lot of things. I mean, I mean, you think about what happened though, I'm staring at like shoes on my table that were like influenced from rock stars to rappers and everything else. You got freaking rappers making shoes. You've got basketball players making art. Like, I don't know, it's all sort of tied in this nostalgia culture, pop culture. It's an interesting blend that's happening now that's a lot of fun. Yeah, well, I recognize right away when I first started making these cards because I stumbled across through my collecting, stumbled across this whole community of guys that were doing the same thing. They were cutting the cards up. Some of them might have been doing a little bit of painting on them and stuff with markers and stuff, but primarily everybody was cutting them up and everybody was doing just sports adding some type of, you know, super refractor material in the background or something shiny vinyl material they were getting at Michaels or Hobby Lobby or whatever. And it was fun, but like I said, I recognize I'm like, why am I just doing sports when I can take everything else and mash it up and nobody else was doing that. So now the thing that really kind of where I started to make my name was with the Jordan rookie reprints. I did like three or four. They were all different, but they were all the shadow box style and it would be Jordan and incorporating GI Joe in the background and Super Mario and Spider Man and the goonies and all these different things and nobody has seen anything like it and luckily nobody else really messes around with that style. You have to have a deep inventory and a lot of patients to be able to mash all those images up and not have them look like garbage. I have it all make sense of colors matching the theme all like going together. It's not just cutting up a bunch, picking, grabbing a handful of cards, cutting them up and it's all gonna work. I'll spend hours sometimes moving the pieces around putting things out and then I decide I'm not going to use it and I have to cut up more stuff and you know it's painstaking sometimes but it's a lot of fun. Yeah that's kind of down that point. It's like this balance of scarcity plus time and you know everything's hand done right. I mean I know you print some things but like it's kind of all comes together by hand. Is that would that ever not be the case? I mean no because I mean when it comes down to it like for me specifically I don't have a team. Some of these guys I know for you know have family members their wife might be helping them. Some of them have employees now. I do everything from the design to the manufacturing to the fulfillment. I'm customer service. I'm social media you literally doing everything. So my hands are on every piece from beginning to end. And I'm printing off the fronts. I'm printing off the backs. I'm assembling the pieces. The labels are all hand cut and printed by me right down to you know they all come in a slab like this that I get from Zion. They're make pro case. That's awesome. And then this fits into these acrylics. You know the thick slab. Love that. This one's the piggy banks Michael Jordan crown collaboration. Yeah as I say the piggy banks has been hitting my radar like did you do that with them? Yeah I've known piggy banks for you know since you started basically I was making cars a little bit before he was I was cutting them up and I think I'd printed a couple like tobacco size cards. I had plans to print cards but piggy banks came in and he had great packaging from the start. Obviously I had a really good plan. He was printing the cards and he was slabbing them you know with the label up top and everything like PSA style before anybody else was really messing around with that. And he was doing so good with that. I decided to just kind of leave it alone for a while and I just focused on being the best that I could be at cutting cards. And eventually I was like you know what like I have all these ideas. I started printing the cards also and that actually started to really take off even more than the cut cards. So that's really been my main focus over the past year. I'm still cutting cards up but printing and doing the drops with the 10 variations and the canvas gold frames has been really where where things have been at for me. You see something you like in our pack grips on the show? Check out the rad collective eBay store and eBay live shows at eBay live store.com or at breakingrad.com all the cards we rip on the show will be available on both platforms. The printing is that means that like getting into like graphic design. I'm assuming yeah yeah yeah and so do you? Yes I'm designing the pieces. I'm also doing stuff where behind me it's kind of hard to see but in this frame back here is a Louis Vuitton piece that I did where I took a shopping bag from Louis Vuitton and I took like a hundred plus year old piece of art that I found at an antique store here in Maine where I live and I took the art out of the frame. I tore the art apart and I mixed it so it's like a multimedia piece with an image of Jordan and this hundred year old artwork and then this frame and then I took a picture of that and you know I created a slab companion for it. I love that. With the blue strap from the Louis Vuitton bag which is also part of the frame. I love that so it's a special 101 22 karat gold frame. Louis Vuitton I call it bag work with a picture of Mike and then you have the 101 wall piece to go with it. That's the type of stuff that I've really been focused on lately. Nobody else is really doing that type of stuff and trying to innovate and do things that are different from other people and also I mean I don't just want to do cards not to say they're like boards and he's just doing cards but I want to do so much more so that's just kind of where my head is that. Luxury nostalgia. Luxury nostalgia yeah I mean that's the key word and just making things because I mean when people see things that are different it catches their eye but if you can also make them feel something more than just like oh wow this is different make them feel something and that's where you know artwork that like grabs people and tugs at those those heartstrings and really makes them feel something that's what what is special and what works so well that's what people want. There's a guy I know who said people think with their head and they buy with their heart. You're looking at that guy. It's super true. That's a great quote. It's true that you can maybe like you know if you can make if you make them think it'll make them stop but if you make them feel they pull out the wallet and I don't mean that it's just about business but because it has value it's more that like more I don't mean that as much commercially like as I mean when people spend their money it has value to them it has meaning and it's deeper than a thought and I think that's where nostalgia and tying into like something that okay wow it's arresting it grabs my attention but then it triggers something that makes me want to have it and I think that's what you're tapping into. I think people just want to feel something at the end of the day yeah you know what I mean and if you can do that for them you know with your artwork there's a lot of people that really value that as they should because it's something special not everybody you know finds or figures out how to tap into that magic and I've been really lucky the last few years to do that it's really just a culmination of everything that I've done have done throughout my life whether it was a success or a failure and there's been a lot of failures it's all like equal to this right now and that's where you know being a leader in this space can be sometimes difficult because people will want to you know follow the same path and stuff but you just have to remind yourself that if you're going to be a leader people are going to follow. 100% wasn't inspires you though like I mean there's probably is it going to different shows is it consuming content like where do you where do the ideas percolate from? I've just always been a creative and I guess I never realized it when I was younger but I've recognized it more and more later in life that not everybody is a creative and that just how much value there isn't that you know I was the kid that when he was in like when I was in third grade I was getting a trouble because instead of paying attention to math class I was trying to draw GI Joe comic books you know in my desk and stuff having the teacher come and take take the paper away and throw it away um and you know I was drawing my own starter jackets and my own Nike shoes in middle school so I've just always been creating it's just always been in me I don't really know that there's any like I don't even think about inspiration like I just it just is what it is and I'm always my mind is always doing it but there's definitely probably I guess these moments that come and like you know Kobe's birthday coming up are just happening or the the milestone with LeBron I'm sure you're kind of being creative you're naturally in and into sports and pop culture and different things you probably keep your I don't know eye on the what's happening or it grabs your attention like that could be a moment to document in your way right for sure um I honestly don't focus on that the the right now stuff as much as probably I should and you know and to be honest you know the Kobe Day just passed and it seemed like every single artist that is out there right now making cards and slapped art they all put out a piece right like for it and it's just like if one of the artists are all putting a Kobe card out the same day is that really going to be good for everybody I'm not sure yeah maybe maybe not I don't know I didn't I didn't put one out I was busy doing other stuff well it's getting bad I mean sometimes there's you make a good point of everybody's doing it is just there's still as valuable but if you're busy yeah that's a good thing too right but I don't know but I hear you there's borrowed interest I call it borrowed I mean sometimes people hear that word and they don't like it or they think it's bad I personally love love it like because look everything we do in life and marketing and sales or whatever else it's hard I mean it's just it's hard to get attention it's hard to make sales and there's moments in times that you can sort of tag on to that does some lifting for you to a degree but there's a fine line between creativity originality in that statement as well yeah I mean I'm inspired by what I grew up with nearly 80s and 90s culture yeah really inspired by music and just creatives I was always he's gone off the deep end you know but I was always inspired by people like Kanye who did so much across so many different boards creatively you know Virgil with all the stuff that he did with clothing to this day Farrell is one of those people like musically Michael Jackson I mean you know for else the head of is the creative designer the head of Louis Vuitton now yeah crazy just crazy it is crazy the guy that's you know he's done sneakers he had his own skateboard brand multi platinum for getting music producer well man you know but this is all sort of what I call taste making right yes yeah 100 makers they they know whether it's a sound or a shoe or shirt or pocketbook or brand or a card they have a vision creatively that sets people's taste and yeah a lot of people don't know it till they see it guys like you see it before we believe it you know yeah my I don't know where he got it from but my dad always used to say you have to see the invisible to do the impossible you know so that's you know being being that like step ahead and and seeing it is huge and being willing to do it you know like everybody thinks they oh man I had that idea way before well great did you do it did you put it in the paper you know because yeah if you didn't uh that and a dollar will buy you a pack of gum right so uh yeah man it's execution is everything as they say in in all things Tom like what what's got you excited right now man I got cultured collision coming up in a couple weeks I think it's September 12th of 14 whatever that weekend there is it's always a really good show I've been really fortunate to become really part of the show I designed the trading cards at the show it's also the artwork that I designed for the trading cards they also used for all the badges the vendor badges the VIP badges the sponsors I've also done some collaborations with prison god who is the owner of the show him and his wife Joyce you must have seen the bags that we released a culture collision yep that I designed the neat neat cash cards we're also do yeah thank you there are a lot of fun we're also doing some hoodies that are going to be coming out crew necks and sweatshirts at the next culture collision with that same graphics on it and then I'm out in Vegas for a new show that I'm really excited about by rock solid productions or promotions family run really nice couple that throw the show and I think it's going to be really good the last one I was at that that they put together was great they've got Sam Williams from the Dallas Cowboys and try and remember who the other autograph guests that are coming but either way it's going to be a blast I'm looking forward to that stuff I'm working on some things and maybe Philly and New York City I've got some collaborations coming that you know kind of secret in the works and oh come on we can break it here on the show I know I know some of them the details some of the details have really been ironed out and I don't want to get ahead of myself on some of them but I'm always trying to do bigger bigger better things you know all right guys let's get to the news of the week first off today's a Friday when this comes out the boys and I will be at the Haywood Mall trading card show this weekend on Saturday so if you listen to this on release hey like you should you anywhere in the upstate of South Carolina southeast stop in we've got a four table set up we'll be promoting the podcast and everything Brad collective will have all ton of great cards some great wax you can come meet me or the boys and of course we'd love to talk to you if you're in the upstate listening to the show which you should be we appreciate you so that's where us of the boys will be and of course lots there's a big show in Dallas you might know about one of the largest shows happening this weekend as we speak huge so the king of cards is going to be there you mentioned that if you hadn't checked out that episode need to go that's your news of the week go check out the episode with Kyle it was awesome really enjoyed him just a really authentic dude man and you know that's why we're in this space is guys like him like the future is bright with guys like him my boys and everything that we're doing with the rad collective so shout out to him hit the back button on the episode listen to everything the king of cards had to talk about and the he's up to the fashioning some of the deals he's put together watching him on youtube and of course his love of Johnny man's L of course we went there talking about getting the the card and then really the difference in cards collecting and card business so check out that interview really enjoyed that also so some of the I mean the biggest headlines really this week had to do with just the booming industry we've been talking we talked about this you can hear me talk about it our content on Instagram my personal channel that Ryan offer talking about just the industry so I looked at the sales month over month and card ladder does a great job they put out this data of all verified online sales 416 million dollars is how much business was done in August I had to like double check that I did a double take and of course yeah okay 12 million was on the Kobe card but are you kidding back that out you're still at over 400 million dollars you're talking like 30 to 40% up year over year in the industry of just and this is just verified online card sales so they got many deals are happening in those trade nights I was at the national we know how many deals are happening tens of thousands of hundreds of thousands of deals going down there I will I would beg to say there's five to seven hundred million dollars in deals happening across the board unofficial data but 416 million and just verified online the leaders being eBay go figure eBay did 301 million last one in cards holy cow they talk about a booming business eBay doesn't want card collecting to go away man that is a huge chunk fanatics at 37 million in heritage at 33 but man those are the biggest leaders and then as spread across the rest of them the busiest day was August 17th 256,000 sales were done that day and over the whole month this is what's crazy 5.87 million transactions huh are you kidding me unbelievable how much money is exchanging hands in this business that's why we're here we want to bring this data to you and just to talk about all the opportunity that is in the space and then from a grading standpoint you had 2.28 million cards graded pretty much flat month over month but it was up 27% year-over-year so we talk about grading and it really fueling and driving parts of the industry or lots of the industry that's what we mean 27% year-over-year PSA did 1.66 million which was up 19% year-over-year CGC 438,000 up 10% and SGC oh come on man 118,000 down 23% I mean have you ever seen an example of a company buying another company just to let them flounder and fail potentially just to put them out of business you know I guess you could do it if you could do it why just buy them and fold them I guess you can just slow burn here the slow death of SGC had a little bit of competition so I'm looking forward to talking to Mike Bakers how about his perspective Mike Bakers doing card grading he was one of the lead graders at I mean pretty much the league it was the first employee at PSA and then was like head of grading for 10 years so Mike's doing his own grading and authentication he's going to be on the show here the coming weeks so look forward to talking to him about some of these numbers but grading instead of driving but here's what's interesting you know and that's why you know trading cards and collectibles space in sports hey where's sports guys the boys not love sports but Pokemon was 58% of PSA's volume almost 60% of the grading volume was coming through Pokemon the top PSA set was 2024 donorous optic football hey go figure a lot of downtown and everything else in there the hottest set of year it makes sense and of course the top TCG set is destined rivals we've been quite a few packs that destined rivals tell you I don't know all the rules with the Pokemon stuff but you're going to see us doing rips of that it's fun beautiful artwork so I appreciate the artwork I do know enough to be dangerous illustration I can throw the vernacular around got a hollow reverse hollow I know the vernacular but the boys talk a little bit more about that in coming sessions and releases but again the amount of Pokemon that's a huge opportunity we have a lot of Pokemon cards laying around really nice ones I've never graded anything Pokemon but you got 60% of freaking PSA's volume from this month at Pokemon it's obviously an opportunity and the hit rates must be out there let me see what what tens nine eight what what's the grading scale for newer stuff and how it's fallen because I look at some of these these packs and man the balancing is so off like the centering of the cards like drives me crazy but crazy the numbers that are being done in grading and overall sales from a price trend perspective you've got football is up 10% baseball up 9% and basketball up 7% everybody's up baby numbers are up but I'll tell you football right before season makes sense so totally makes sense to be up that's pretty natural you have football college of all-ons last weekend we'll talk about Clemson man what a disappointment yeah he look close game love my boys just wanted it to get the W so but nonetheless football seasons here in a NFL starting this weekend and of course we've got both playing so I mean my centers and centers kind of made now Saturday be watching some of the games from the the car show Clemson plays Troy I think so we watching that and then Sunday NFL of course first Sunday night game is that was actually last night when we were recording this ahead of Friday so the first NFL games are already happened when we recorded this I mean you guys saw this the headline sell the Jordan Kobe dual logo man 12.9 million dollars what do I think about that I mean obviously everybody and their brothers been in talking about this it's out there what's my perspective I mean being you know back in the hobby for a year collecting growing up look I think it's good for the hobby you know bringing more business in bringing more investors in mr. wonderful whether you like him love him or hate him he's a good businessman and he understands investing and he's put a lot of money into one piece of cardboard because he sees what I see this industry is ripe for investment and it's a safe asset class and so I think it's good the shining the light from a broader perspective you know you don't want it to bring in more bad players that's be the one probably cautionary tale but I do like the fact that you're seeing people that are smart and a lot of other aspects of business and money and finance and other segments come into the industry and I think that's good for the industry overall and will help raise prices probably the short term you're seeing some of that but we'll see what happens long term biggest thing I would say is check out if you're in a Pokemon go get this graded like clearly there's a trend there get that Pokemon graded I'm going to pull some of mine out like I'm going to have to do a session here I'm going to bring out you have a magnifying glass and light the boys are going to have to do some sessions what we're looking at and evaluating the grading especially on Pokemon in particular trying to see and compare what's getting graded correctly and it's a little different you know you look at all these football sports cards you kind of get used to knowing what to look for you're looking at corners sintering the surface and it's similar thing with Pokemon but I find it a little harder to tell the exact sintering on those you can definitely see when like one striper something sticker or thinner the others the way you can't football but then it gets a little off for me because sometimes the shifting can be off and is that he got the right tools to do that correctly but I do think there seems to be a ton of opportunity with a number of of cards being sent in for up in the value of your collection by getting them graded those Pokemon sitting around so we got a few ourselves last but not least check out breakingrad.com it's where our website is all the cards and breaks that we do and of course on Instagram breakingrad.com is actually our handle there my handles that Ryan offered all of our deals and then go check out our eBay live store for of course cars that were selling wax and then that live shopping that we're about to start we're going to have the release date coming up I promise we've got a huge release of 2024 football the best of talking the best of the best hobby boxes best breakers boxes we've we've stored it back folks it's going to be an awesome or do pre sales for that so all the best boxes of 2024 open all at once could be fun it's going to be a blast it's going to be on eBay live appreciate them and appreciate you that is the news wrap up for today you're on trading cards and collectibles you see something you like in our pack grips on the show check out the rad collective eBay store and eBay live shows at eBay live store.com or at breakingrad.com all the cars we rip on the show will be available on both platforms. Yeah anything you're carving as we speak that you can talk about. I'm sure a while now have been keeping tucked away I've got about 80 each of Kobe Bryant game use jersey pieces and Michael Jordan game use jersey pieces and man I probably had him for like almost a year now and it's probably time that I do something with that over the next few months going to start releasing some of that stuff for sure. That would be cool. I know yeah some people are going to be excited about those dual Jordan and Kobe game use jersey pieces. Yeah and there was a big sale with one of those guys this week. 12. Yeah I just been sitting on though so they're they're slabbed by Beckett and each one of them has that says like authentic game use memorabilia pieces and there's little squares that they were left over from upper dagger someone doing you know cards. Oh that's nice find nice hold. Yeah yeah yeah I grabbed those and like I said I just kind of been waiting I just have so many ideas and things I want to do. This piece behind me the Louis Vuitton in the frame I've got two more frames right in front of me. I've been going to antique shops and flea markets all over main one team for frames specifically I know what I'm looking for and it just has to catch my eye again I'm looking for things that move me that make me feel something and it has to go with the art because I know what I like to create for art and I know the style that I'm looking for and so I've been I've been hunting like all summer for frames and I have maybe like half a dozen of them now all together. This piece the Louis Vuitton piece in the frame I'm trying to do a bunch more of those I found a handful of frames I've been hunting all summer antique stores at flea markets here in Maine like it has to be just the right one I've seen hundreds of them and I've wound up with just a handful that I'm going to put art in I'm really excited to do more of those with the frames and the companions maybe even do like my own show at bleaker trading or somewhere like that this fall or winter with them. That would be awesome and hey I want I want a special Ryan offer special edition something you know I think we're gonna have to move me get out of here we get a collab going. Absolutely let's do it. Oh man I need you I need the cardverse artistic vision around this you know like I mean let's get some attention I think we ought to do something and drop some cards at a show together that would be pretty fun too. That's what I'm talking about yeah man let's set up together I mean you need to get you to G Vegas I'm into it and they got to show here we can meet in Charlotte or Atlanta or Charleston or you know wherever yeah I'm into it I love it man Hey man I love I love what you're doing I can't wait to start sending me stuff and I can display it on my my table here you know like can you do like if you do a one of ten can you do in a let an 11th piece that like I will never tell I will never sell I will not flood the market but can like sit here on the table you know yeah we can get you I won't tell anybody I got something I got something I love it man hey tell everybody where they can learn about the drops learn about where you're gonna be and keep up with everything you're doing that's place to find me is on Instagram it's just the card carver the card carver across all social media also the card carver.com but the best place to see what's really happening and understand what's going on I would say is Instagram feel free to reach out if you have any questions always happy to you know answer new collectors questions and a lot of people have a lot of them so yeah love to hear from it hey we're keeping it real here meeting a lot of people in the space and what I love about what you're doing and is like I met you we immediately hit it off we're talking like old friends and there's so many people in this space where I'm kind of like I'm not sure about I'm like I don't feel welcome or something but it's guys like you they're both highly creative highly talented doing something really unique and then you're just real man so I really appreciate you. Likewise man same same vibes I always appreciate when I meet new people in the hobby you know just like you said you either vibe with people or you don't some people have good energy some people not so much so when you do encounter that it's nice to keep it around you so I appreciate you thank you for having me on and definitely looking forward to seeing you on the road. Yeah brother can't wait hey guys you're gonna find us collectibles.show that's the website you'll find the full audio video social clips and everything in every way to meet see greet my stuff from the card carver we'll see you next time. Thanks for tuning into the show don't forget to follow us on your favorite podcast platform and don't miss the full video version on YouTube you can find us at www.collectibles.show or follow Ryan on Instagram at Ryan Oldford now get out there and collect yours.