Latest news on trending sports cards, Pokemon, NFL and Major League Baseball Playoffs

SUMMARY
In this episode of the "Trading Cards and Collectibles" podcast on the Radcast Network, hosts Ryan Alford and Brian Ludden discuss the booming trading card industry, with Brian reporting live from the Texas Rangers stadium where a new card shop is being built in partnership with the Rangers and Panini. They cover industry trends, digital collecting apps, market values, and share behind-the-scenes insights from a major printing facility. The episode also spotlights sports card market updates, listener stories, and the evolving digital landscape, offering fans an inside look at both the business and excitement of collecting.
TAKEAWAYS
- Overview of the trading cards and collectibles industry size and scope
- Updates on a new card shop being built at the Texas Rangers stadium
- The partnership between the Rangers and Panini for the card shop
- Discussion of the impact of sports events, including MLB playoffs and World Cup matches, on collectibles
- Trends in rookie quarterback cards and their market performance
- Insights on the value stability of certain collectibles, like Pokémon cards versus sports cards
- Analysis of scanning trends on the Lud app and playoff-related card interest
- Overview of eBay's significant role in the trading card market and its gross merchandise volume
- Insights from a tour of a major printing facility for trading cards
- Future plans for the hosts, including studio transitions and personal projects related to collectibles
This industry is so big. Think about like the enormity of like just eBay. The amount of GMV transactional money is 20 billion plus. That's just one part of this industry. Both Drake May and Michael Pinnix beat my bills in Josh Allen. So their scans are up at the expense of my favorite player which is Josh Allen so it's like, I'm happy but I'm sad. I mean how many total scans? How many a week? Like average? On a weekend we get a million. If you do the math on that, it's like a thousand scans a minute for 20 straight hours. That's pretty much what people do on Lodhex. Welcome to the Trading Cards and Collectibles Podcast on the Radcast Network. From Chasing Grails to Colin Bluffs, I'm going inside the hobby. Are you ready to collect? Let's get at it. Here is your host, Ryan Alford. What's up guys? Welcome to Trading Cards and Collectibles. You got Ryan and Brian here and you know I'm in studio which most people say, hey you got a cool studio but you know where I'm at? That's where Brian is. He's in a major league baseball stadium. The Texas Rangers baseball stadium at that Brian and look at this. You're watching this on YouTube Spotify or where you get video. You're missing it dude. That is MLB. Oh, Brian's, he goes, uh, where should I do it? In a sweet baby? These are the only time they'd ever let me in a sweet though. You're usually up in the stands with a dog and a beer, you know? Yeah, my camera won't go that far where they put me using it. Come on man. Hopefully that. No, that's cool dude. Texas Rangers stadium. How's the stadium? It's beautiful man. If you haven't been here before, it's like, it's just awesome. I mean, it's the stadium's awesome as you saw behind me but it's also the whole experience. You get here, it's 15 minutes from the airport and there's 15 restaurants and bars and two hotels and it's just awesome. It's on Jerry's world campus so you got the Rangers Apple Cowboys. So it's a it's a fun place to come to and yeah, with the card shop opening up here, I'll be here like once or twice a month. So yeah, it's starting to get some good friends down there and join it. Texas T. You know, you remember the Beverly Hills, the Texas T, that oil money. You can't hide that oil money. It's it's flowing but that's awesome dude and you know and that's what's great about this show guys. Everybody listening. Look, Brian and I are normal guys like everybody else but we get access and we're here's sheer access. You know, like we get to rub shoulders. Brian gets, you know, in the stadium in the sweep, we're just show that bringing these things to life. So we're not in a basement doing things. We're also not billionaires but we are here to give you the access that we're blessed to get access to. So it's fun and you know, Brian gets to mingle and watch his store come to life. Man, that's got, yeah, that's cool. I mean, it's got your name on it. I think anybody listening is probably into trading cards whether sports or Pokemon or collectibles. The dream would be, oh, watching my own, you know, card store, collectible store. I mean, I don't know how you wouldn't want that and then you need to do it at the frigate stadium. Dude, is that not awesome? Yeah, it's fun. I was walking through it yesterday with the construction team and you know, kind of seeing the renderings come to life and they had some great ideas and they're collectors themselves. So they're pretty psyched about building this, the shop and, you know, just the partnership with the Rangers and Panini is going to be super excited. They are super excited about the World Cup. There's nine matches down here in AT&T. So they're going to be doing a lot of stuff with us too, but all in all, it's just a cool experience and like it's just better. It's it's a great place for collectors. That's what we want it to be. I took some video. We'll kind of throw this down and you can tease it if you want. Yeah. Well, so Brian's got videos. If you're if you're watching, which you should be, we love our listeners, but you know, give us some love on on YouTube or Spotify and or Instagram. You get on BloodX. You can get on the collectible stuff show or Ryan offered any of those. We show all behind the scene stuff. But yeah, Brian's who has some videos playing throughout this as we're talking about it. So if you're listening, giving you a little FOMO that you get a bounce over and look at all the renderings and then Brian's just real time footage of what it's like to build the LCS. And you know what, Brian? I mean, I'm going to go ahead and tease it myself. I couldn't let you be the only one build a store. You know, so I might have something up my sleeve as well. It's news to come, but it will not be the Texas Ranger Stadium. So I'm going to have to really make the interior pop. I don't have that borrowed interest. And amazing surroundings going with it. And so it's cool. Collectibles.show is where you'll find all of the channels and learn more about what we're doing. And ultimately, hey, we want to hear from you. You do case hits at collectibles.show. What's you to send in your favorite pulls of the week? And here's the difference. This isn't about just value. Hey, we want to see some $10,000 hits had a couple of those myself a few months back. But it's not just about the values about what you're collecting. What means something to you? Share a story. Share a video of you holding up the card that you hit last week. That was your favorite player. And you nailed it. So case hits at collectibles.show send in those videos. I want to know the stories. We're going to bring it to life here on the show. We're going to do a segment each week once we get rolling and get some videos in where we share that on the show with us. We want to feature you on collectibles show. It's been a good week in sports. You got, I mean, it's a great time for sports. You know, if you listen in your sports fan, I mean, you've got World Series, you know, we're building to the World Series. You've got Major League Baseball playoffs. You've got college football, which is huge in the South where I am. And it's becoming more nationwide, I think. It's not just the Southeast Conference anymore or the ACC. It's where it's national. And then you got NFL. You've got, I don't know, golf playoffs. I mean, it's a great time to be a sports fan. Yeah, it is. I mean, it's only like baseball for sure is, but then my bears won. I mean, it's been a great game. I was and look, I've got a lot of, let's just say I've got a lot of that vested in both the quarterbacks. So I just wanted both quarterbacks to play well, which they did. And Caleb is coming along. Yeah. I mean, he, you know, there's, there's, he's young and there's a lot of pressure on these young quarterbacks. And, you know, when one doesn't extremely well and makes the other ones look bad, but if you put him in like where he, his first games, how many games he's played and the stats and what he's doing. I mean, he's doing everything he needs to be doing. And now he's, you know, to learn a whole new offense and new players and whatnot. So yeah, I'm happy with it. The bears are one three in a row. I don't even know the last time they did that. I don't know. Long time we are. So yeah, exactly. And then you've got, you know, all of the the rookie quarterbacks last year, other than McCarthy has been hurt, are playing pretty damn well. I mean, it's sort of, you know, is a good building point to trending players of the week on the Linux app, who's, you know, who's trending up. And at the top of that list, I'm going to let Brian talk about it, but are littered on the list as a couple of those big rookies from last year. Brian, what we got with the scans this week and who's looking, who's trending? Yeah. So like he said, the main guy, the guy that's up the most is Drake May, his PSA 10 silver prison, traded 500 bucks in late September, traded $800 last week. He is number one in trending players on the Linux app. Number two, we have Baker Mayfields, continues to go up. I mean, he just, that dude's a baller, man. I love that guy. He's mature. Yeah, he's up 56%. And then finally, Michael Penning's junior is, you know, his cards are finally starting to go up a bit. They're up about just under 20% in the week. So those are the three big ones, but like he said, they're quarterbacks. I always rule, you know, but like, as you can see, the, here's the thing. There are both, I'm both excited because I own a lot of these quarterbacks from last year because it mingled with where the boys and I got back in. So we're buying all that 24. So we got a ton of those, but it also gives me the, oh, because both Drake May and Michael Penning's beat my bills and Josh Allen. So they're, they're scans are up, but it's the expense of my favorite player, which is Josh Allen. So it's like, I'm happy, but I'm sad. We're struggling a little bit. They look human. Yeah, they do look human. I don't know. I can't quite put my finger on exactly what it is, but they should have beat the Falcon. I mean, they shouldn't be losing the Falcons and the Patriots. I know if that's, I think both teams are playing better, but the bills should be wins. Those are dubious. Those are dubious in the preset. You know, when you're looking to the calendar, you're going, okay, we're going to be, you're going to win those. And then there's enough question marks to where you got to get those, but we'll see Trevor Lawrence came back down the earth. My boy, you know, they got to, they got to beat Seattle at home, but Seattle is kind of manhandled them. It was not a great game. I mean, Seattle's a good football team. Darnell, they got the weapons on the receivers. I mean, they're good football team. I know. But you got to defend home turf versus sort of what I would consider maybe equal competition, you know, they come into your space and then they just they sack the hell and Trevor Lawrence did not look good. He's looked a lot better this year. He's had signs, but that defense ate him up eight, uh, Jacksonville's lunch. So, uh, his cards probably be doing the old teeter title if they seem to always do, but I don't like it here. There's peace. Yeah, we could probably look and see like who's the down the most in a week. No, we should. So we give you the four warning. If you're out there and you're collecting these guys, I'll tell you who not who to maybe let go unless they're like PC, you know, and that's what I always wanted to die on this show. Like, uh, uh, Trevor Lawrence, he go down to 10 cents and I'm going to have 4,000, not 39,000, but maybe 4,000 of his cards. Uh, either way, because, uh, I got all my clumps to guys, but, you know, it, there is the investment side and that's the, that's the balance of everything in the hobby, Brian, you know, it's like the everybody's in it. I think that are really in it. You've got both sides. Like, yeah, you're trying to do an old investing and then I, who's your favorite player? So I encourage people to never lose sight of that because sometimes I feel like at least going to these cartridges, it feels like it's all transactional. Yeah, that's a good point. I mean, I think you have to do a little bit of both, right? Or if it's really just about transactional, then, you know, that's a business and, you know, that's my son flipping, trying to make money. But really for me, it's, you got to enjoy what you're collecting, why you're collecting it. And, uh, speaking of that, I have a show and tell for the week. Yes. This one just came back from eBay, authentic. And it is, I don't know if you'll see it. Well, it's a Babe Ruth. Oh, wow. Out of 25. Yes. Game used, uh, game used Jersey. Wow. That's cool. And again, he's not going to shoot up any, any clubs. He's not going to get arrested. He's not going to beat his wife. He's, he's pretty much, he's pretty much done doing that stuff. Yeah. He doesn't have those things that, well, that should send the market down, other than maybe just the entire market. If it, he turns is the market trend, I guess. Uh, and in speaking of that, it's funny. You bring that up. We had, we had a Pokemon. Uh, what was his username, though? Um, Jim meant Pokemon. Great guy. Super knowledgeable. He was on Tuesday's episode. So if you're listening here on Friday, go back and listen to that. He made this comment, which was sort of funny. He's like, here's the, here's why Pokemon's a better investment. He said, uh, Charizard never gets hurt. He never, or never does it. He, you know, gets arrested. He's always, you know, stable. You know, I mean, he is popularity changes, but it's not because of his own behavior. Now he's just a cool, cool customer saying that every time you see Charizard, he's doing the same stuff. Yeah. Pikachu, Pikachu is not going to get, uh, thrown in jail and hurt his PR. No, no, if he does, uh, okay, we're in, we're in the end times. There's something you don't even know what, uh, he's walking around. But, uh, yeah, it is interesting. He's like, yeah, you don't have those fluctuations based on performance on the field. So I was like, that's an interesting observation. But it's also interesting because at the same, at that, he turned that upside down, you know, like, why are Pikachu's going up? What do he do to, you know, pure speculation? I'm talking about just pure, like, yeah, investing in speculation. That is, that is it to the T. That's true. Every, every argument has a, uh, reverse side. But, uh, very knowledgeable guy, uh, Jim Mint, Pokemon, take a listen to that. And look, I'm the last guy that you think, you go, that's not a Pokemon guy. Like, big sports guy, you know, big physique. I do not look like a Pokemon guy. I'm not, I wouldn't even call this Pokemon guy. I just like appreciate the art and appreciate the collectibility. And it's a fun thing with the kids who aren't also kind of Pokemon kids, you know, they're, you know, sports playing, yeah, red blooded American kids. But it's fun with the art and it's fun. It's a fun open because you can sort of appreciate the art. And I think it's a, it's a manageable kind of thing to collect. Doesn't have the 400. I think we've talked about this 450 parallels. You know, it's like, you got different sets and things, but it's a little more digestible. Yeah, agree. I mean, it's like, we call it, you know, you know, I talk about it the gateway drug. Yeah. That's where people get in. But, you know, I am a few Pokemon cards, but nothing like, I've never really collected it like aggressively. I would say we have about 5,000. Now you, not, I'm not talking about like comments. We probably, we give the comments away to my nephews and other kids, but we are building quite a few. They're a fun easy rip. Like, that's why we have so many too. It's like, it's a fun easy rip. They're, you know, five to seven dollars a pack. It's at a $50 a pack. So if we're just hanging out, it's a watching football Pokemon's an easy thing to rip and go, hey, got this, got that. But speaking of sports on TV, we've got to visual up. I'm going to let Brian talk a little bit what's happening with our playoffs, with our scans. We had followed the exact order of the playoffs last week. I think we have some changes potentially this week, Brian, don't we? Yeah. Yeah, this is a, I don't think it's surprising, but what we have is we have L.A. and the brewers. L.A. 36,000 scans and brewers 22,000. The other side, the Yankees advanced over the Blue Jays. And so in our other side, we have Seattle advanced and the Yankees. And the Yankees are 18,000 scans above the, the murder. But it's going to be really interesting because you're going to talk about the first and second largest cities coming up into the final searching L.A., New York. And that's going to be super interesting because the Yankees right now are scanned a little more than about 5,000 more than the, or what is that? 14,000 more than the Dodgers, but the Dodgers that they keep winning. I think you're close to Dodgers look good. I mean, now that's a prize. Yeah. And the thing is though, how they're winning is not what people thought. I mean, his, I think his first thing was a home run. Yeah. And I think that was his only hit. He's like on 28. Yeah. And it's their pitching. It's absolutely dominating. Yeah. It's not been an offensive explosion. Like, no, it's been time they need it. Freddie Freeman's going to come around. Yeah. Mr. Clutch. Yeah, they're clutch. I mean, I hope these seems, I hope that we get serious, you know, the guys owe to come back and give it a good series because I enjoy watching it. But you know, Seattle's been hot for two months in L.A. with the pitching. It's going to be tough to come back against them. But you never know. So get your scans in and get your guesses in for total number of scans here. You know, you could do some math here on the board here with just these teams. So then imagine it across the whole gamut. So get those guesses in. We've got the Lutics case giveaway. And we'd love to see someone win that case and, hey, think hi. That's all good. Go high. Lots of scans. I mean, how many total scans do you have? I don't know if you have that data. You probably have averages, at least Brian. I mean, it's how many a week, like, average? I mean, on a weekend, we go a million. And so if you do the math on that, and I don't want to really, I don't want to do it in my head, but it's like a thousand scans a minute for 20 straight hours. That's pretty much what people do on Lutics. I mean, it's crazy. Like I know. And you know, like no one's been more and even before Brian and I met a bigger cheerleader of Lutics than me, and being the best scanning app in the App Store. But it still blows my mind, like the volume, you know, like of how many freaking deep for just scanning cards, getting them in their digital, you know, collection repository, and then getting either values or linking them back to eBay or whatever they're doing. It's incredible. Yeah, it's this industry is so big. I mean, think about like the enormity of like just eBay for a billion dollars in GMV or whatever they're going to do. And it takes two and a half minutes to put card on. And then you talk about all the shows and LCSs and and I mean, the amount of GMV transactional money is, you know, 20 billion plus, which like that's just one part of this industry, secondary sales. It doesn't include, you know, what tops and fanatics they're doing printing cards and, you know, wax wax and, you know, Zion cases and Lutics is app and all that stuff. Like it's, it's a massive, massive industry. And it's going to be exciting to be able to, to be the tech hub to watch, you know, be the center of it and watch this thing grow where we can instead of having it segmented out through the industry, you know, having a few places that people can kind of gravitate to and then gravitate, gravitate from to go to other sites and the ecosystem. So yeah. I want you to talk about a visit you've made here while on that trip here shortly. I do want to bring up as related to that comment. If you go to eBay, check out the Rad Collective. It's, I can't, Brian, this is how I know, like, you know, we move a lot of cards, thanks to the Lutics app and we move, you know, some secondary wax that we get and we put it on there. And Brian, I mean, the moment, if I put 50 boxes on there, 40 of them are gone in two days. Like, you know, we price it right, but we're not giving it away. And then just the volume of transactions that happen, like I see it, like my phone starts being like, then it's actually throwing stuff on there. It's, the demand is high. Yeah. I mean, that's the things like when you look at marketplaces and obviously I've known pretty well trading derivatives for 25 years, but it's about trust, volume and velocity. And that's why, like a lot of these other companies coming in to try to compete with eBay. And I'm saying like smaller companies and they're like, hey, we're going to give you, it's no commission or it's one percent or whatever it is fine, but that carbon has transacted 10 times on eBay before I could even get it off one sale on any other marketplace. And then at that point, they're left with stale data. There's those cards are sold somewhere else. And now you go to their site and you're like, well, I'm going to buy that card and go, that guy hasn't signed on in three months. Like, it's just, this is really difficult. I think the vulnerability of eBay is tech. And then, you know, kind of Walmart come in and do something, kind of fanatics come in. Yeah, of course. I mean, of course, but it's a big enough industry. I don't know if like, if eBay gets totally crushed or it just grows the whole pie, but you know what I was thinking, interesting, like having partnerships with these different companies, eBay wants the buyers. So eBay will give an affiliate. If you send buyers over to them, they'll give you an affiliate percent of the GMV. Walmart wants sellers. Walmart has buyers. They got hundreds of millions of buyers. That's what you and I got to talk about Walmart. I can give their own Walmart. Yeah. I mean, and so, you know, they're they're going to go at this differently, but, you know, no one has more money than Walmart. So we'll see what happens, but you know, interesting stuff. It is interesting thought. And I mean, that's my only knock on eBay is like, I agree with you. Like, you can't fight the behemoth and out of the turn stuff over faster with let margin. The fees are high. It's it is what it is. They're the leader. I mean, they just it's justified on some level, but I don't have to love it at all times. But the, you know, they're very seller friendly. I mean, excuse me, buyer friendly. It's very, I mean, it's all catered to the buyer. Yeah. It's like, the buyer can do no wrong. And that's a little no as a, you know, I'm a top seller. Like we have the highest marks on there. Like 99.9 feet back. Like, everything you could do right is a seller. And we get to just take it sometimes from buyers that, you know, the littlest thing or nothing, you know, it's very buyer friendly. And you know, they can do that now. But it's I think that there is some vulnerability. If someone could figure out how to take care of both. Yeah. I agree. I think it's, uh, yeah. I mean, it's when you're a market leader like that, you can do it. You can do what you want to do. Yeah. So yeah. Look at how they manage it though. I mean, obviously there's, you know, they're great. I mean, overall, I mean, this is kind of like, you know, 90% great. Love it. It's an opportunity for us to move product. We appreciate them. We've got relationships with them. But if we could just tighten up that 10% or actually that 13% the, the, the seller fee, uh, we come along, I mean, I get that, it's gonna be tears for that. Like 13, 10, 7, something, you know, like, but, no, that flat cost. I forgot to tell my friends at Walmart through my friend, Brian. I get to get some, get some movement there. But, uh, very cool. Um, what else? Hey, you're, you know, tease it a little bit. You had a little visit with, I mean, maybe people have heard of this company. I'm not sure, but, uh, talk about that. So yeah. So yesterday, you know, in Dallas, yeah, headquarters of Penini, you got Beckett, and obviously fanatics has places all over. But one of the biggest printing facilities is down here. So I got a, you know, a, as courted look into all the printers and what they do and, you know, the jerseys they're cutting up and, and the one of ones and the new designs and the new new security stuff they're throwing, you know, they're very serious about security and keeping this integrity of this market. So, they're just always innovating. Um, and they try hard. Uh, but, man, I'm telling you, dude, I was like, holy crap. Like, I don't even know how many sheets I saw, but, well, pallets of, you know, uncut sheets, but it's insane, man. And I, I kind of knew that was like that, but, like, seeing it live and, and getting explained to me was, was awesome. So I want to thank my, my friend Eric Myers, uh, head of innovation for fanatics for, for kindly guiding me around for an hour or two. Um, it was, it was a great experience. And, uh, I, I asked if I could film and I said, no, but, you know, so I would put it on here if I could, but I can't. So I won't. They're getting all the licenses. So, you know, they're, you're going to see some changes. And I've always wanted to, I think I, I know the answer, but I'm going to ask it to you anyway, Brian. Uh, why not have an individual code for every card made so that you know what every, like, why not have a barcode or a tiny little, like, identifier so that there's not this, you know, knee, like, yeah, you still need to get a grade. It doesn't mean that having that has it, but like, you know how the, what's the movement of any one individual card? There are reasons that they don't do that because other than, uh, a lot of money's made on the same cards over and over again, they don't want to track it. Yeah. Or, I mean, I think honestly, it's because 99% of cars that they print are worth nothing, right? Yeah. So if they're printing it for nothing and it's worth nothing, they're okay. Also, if they do stuff like that and put a chip or QR code in there in the printing process, that's going to slow things down, you know, getting cards out, but also they're going to, the printers are going to charge more. And yeah, and now you're, now you're paying a nickel for a card that's with zero and you do that a billion times and, you know, um, but I do think they're going to do stuff with that, um, on the numbered cards, um, for sure. Uh, I think this is bad. And for a lot of it's like, you know, they're like, oh, that's not good for you, right? A lot of it's like, you know, that's not good for you guys identify cards, but if we put a QR code and get cards, everyone's going to have it. That's a great go. Like, thank you. Help us do that. Yeah. I'll worry about the trillion cards that were printed up to this day. Yeah. Believe me, there's enough history there for you, uh, money. I'm like, I'm good, man. Yeah. Yeah. I'm good. You guys, whatever you do, I think that's a great idea, but like, of the, you know, 150,000 cards printed in different cards printed this year. Yeah. I'm okay. No, you're, you're, you're fine. Uh, there's the enemy in need for Linux for the foreseeable 100 years, and probably longer. Um, the, uh, I'm imagining you at that print place. Um, it's, seeing like one of ones, like, go through the print press and like, you're sitting there going, you know, like you're fascinated by maybe the whole process was, here's what I was curious of. I should know this, but is it a one phase print or the, or their multiple phases to kind of get the, the parallels and those kind of variations? Yeah. Many layers, many layers. Yeah. I mean, it's like going from one machine to the next kind of feeding through. There's a whole film of, you know, there's a role of whatever that, um, parallel is and they just, you know, shot, put that on, you know, X number cards and then they move it to somewhere else. And I mean, the one thing, yeah, I mean, it's, it's, it's insane. Um, the one thing that was pretty funny is like, they have like this cage where all the autos are. So, uh, you know, so Tom Brady has a bunch of these like Tom Brady has these. And then there's like this like naughty, uh, cage where it's like these guys haven't signed in like six months. Is that the redemption cage? Like, uh, when you get the redemption card, it's from the naughty box. If there's some redemption, yeah, exactly. The redemption ends up in the redemption. The guy, like, you can't, you can't make a guy sign, but like it's, it's pretty funny how they're like, they're like in the corner. Um, but I think, uh, how, how they came about is that fanatics says now, if we don't get your redemption and I think it's within a year or nine months, that you get a card at two acts of value over what that card is worth. That's what they're going to do, which I think is great. Uh, because, you know, you can't rely on the athletes to, you know, to sign stuff. Yeah. Here's my one quick story on that. So back in the hobby with the boys, we're in it. The hottest thing in going is those rookie quarterbacks that we talked about earlier. And this is pretty early on. This is probably November of last year, December, right in the, you know, the rose rookie girl, the heat of the value of those rookie quarterbacks. And we get a redemption card for Michael Pinnock's junior auto numbered. And right when that, if we had had that card in hand, it's probably a eight or nine hundred dollar card. Um, easy. And we proceeded to wait six months for that redemption to come back. And when we got it back, it was worth 180. So it's like, that's a big deal. That's a big jump. And it's like, I know that it is what it is. The game. It's the, you know, no one intended that to happen to us. But as a collector where that probably would have been one, we would maybe trade in cell up for either stuff for our PC or to, you know, reinvest in something. I mean, that's kind of a bummer. Yeah. And I think there's susceptibility also with the grading companies and the same, you know, same tree, different branch. Um, you know, we were talking about people going up 20%, 70% in a week. And, you know, like he said, it's like, what do you do? You can't do anything. And then it's also the same to the way to get created. And you're like, I want to sell this thing yesterday and you get it back in three, four months. Oh, yeah. One of those stories too, man. Josh Allen Gold weighted, you're supposed to be fairly fast. I mean, it'd be in like, frigging 60 days or something. And easily lost the grant, you know, it was from valuation. And yeah, same thing. It's like, and I mean, good things take time. I get it. And I don't know, I don't know if there's a solution for save. PSA turns, you know, has different very, you know, levels that you can buy for speed and all that. But you don't ever know. And I get it, but I will say that sometimes there has been a couple instances, if I'm being honest, where maybe whatever it was, it was, uh, they had an uptick, you know, during that time. So it came, it became almost like a safety deposit box. It's in the way where you can't get it, you know, and you came back and I'm like, hey, it went up like a hundred bucks. No, no, no, no. Yeah, there's always the other side of it too, but like, let's don't seem like it evens out. No, it doesn't. Uh, what's what's going on the rest of the trip there in Texas, Brian? I'm just going to do some, uh, you know, another walk through the shop today. Um, and then just wrapping up with a few meetings here at the stadium and and then heading back to Chicago for the weekend. Shytown. Yeah, these people still call it that? I call it that. Yeah, you can call it shytown. They call it shyrak, you know, Jim Rome got it. Shy always had shytown, right? Yeah, it's a great time of year. It's like 70 degrees and sunny every day. So until it's not, but there's a great moment. Yeah, we're in the middle of that as well and an old South caca lackey, South Carolina. Um, any other thoughts today, anything else we need to cover, Brian? No, I think I'm good. I know that you, uh, you got a bunch of stuff going on, um, and you're a busy man. Um, so it's a, you're, you're, you're such a cool customer, but even there's a few times we talked and, you know, you're in it, man, you're in it. I'm in it. I am. Yes, I'm moving. The way it worked out, moving home and business and, uh, it was not planned. Just coat the deals kind of landed there. It's like in a three week period. And I'm, uh, give me a donut of the ball in. I'm a juggler, man, doggle, but I'm, uh, I'm running out of, uh, limbs a little bit. Uh, so, uh, it's all good. We're all human. We all got to go onto it. It's all positive things. It's not negative things. It's more, I think it's more, I do a big good job of compartmentalizing and, uh, my compartments are like getting full. And so I know if you saw our studio, our studio is, uh, you guys see the, you know, what looks pretty good. My normal, and you might even hear a little bit of an echo on today's episode because some of our, uh, build up around us is in, uh, disrepair, uh, disruption, whatever you want to call it, it will be moving studios. So it might be as early as next week, um, moving into the new space that's gonna be excited to bring some stuff to life. So we'll, we'll leave that there. We'll have some more news on that. And, uh, we appreciate everyone for listening. And, uh, any final thoughts, Brian? I'm good, my man. All right. We appreciate you. You know, find us collectibles.show. You can download any of the episodes there. You can watch them there. 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