Junk Wax 2.0? Breaking Down Overproduction, Parallels & Pricing in Today’s Hobby

Do you both of you think that we're headed towards junk wax 2.0 era with how much product is coming out right now? I feel like we're teetering on it, that's for sure. They're printing so much, you've got these parallels that are one shade of a colored different with the exact same picture and somehow you slap a one-on-one on it and it's worth more. I don't call it necessarily junk wax era but I do think we're in a junk parallel era. There's way too many parallels, like parallels to 250 and 499, non-autoed. Why does that need to tops relation football for the first time with licensing, actually the prices are already going up kind of like the best about this. 120 for mega or something? Yeah it's crazy. And that license must be expensive. Welcome to the Collector Nation podcast here on the Collector Nation Network. Whether you're chasing trails or calling bluffs, you take you inside the hobby. Here are your hosts, Ryan Alford and Brian Lut. All right guys, our audit segment of the week, Leonard, you guys know Leonard is at this point. I'm not going to talk about how much for bad ass he is in YouTube and licensing and product and all that. What's up Leonard? How you doing Ryan? Good to see you. Hey man, congrats, hooray. Let's get the like the confetti should drop for on it. You guys did it. You picked all the right teams. We did. And I called it too. I said I thought UCLA could win the women's championship when we had what go back four weeks ago and watch that episode. I said you were right. And you were dead. It's on. We'll play that back. We'll get the team to add that to this episode. I should have listened to you, but more because my eight percent bracket was like no little rough. Yeah. I said to put my winners, what it was all said and done, but I did not have the champion. No, yeah, I think it was, I mean, I think on the men's side, obviously, it was a lot better than last year because we had more surprises and more parity. You know, Florida going out early, Illinois, UConn's buzzer, Peter overdue, like, they wasn't just the four one teams like last year. Oh, the women's side, I think we got exactly what we expected outside of South Carolina setting UConn. I think that's through a lot of people. That's through me, obviously. I said UCLA, UConn was going to be the I think I might have had the record US South Carolina is good is a is a is a live dog to not sleep on them. I don't know that I picked. I did not. What's it common? They were in the title per se, but I thought they'd be a pretty live dog and they were. Yeah, they, I mean, I think there was a lot going for them, you know, to avenge last year's loss in the championship game of course. And then just if there was anybody who was going to put a stop to UConn having a perfect season, it was going to be South Carolina, right? Like just the rivalry there. And I mean, you saw Don and Geno get after it after the game, a little handshake thing. So that wasn't a great look for Geno. I didn't think, but you know, I also understand if you understand athletics at the highest level, how much tension is already there. You know, if anything is good for women's sports because it does what's already happening, which is sort of legitimizing how like intense and good these rivalries and battles are. So in that sense, hey, you don't want to see bickering, but I, hey, I'm off for some juice in the women's side. Hey, it made me tune in. I was out of dinner and I like paused and and watched and was like, I wish I was like reader. I was like, Don, get him, get him, Don. And but look, too hot, too intense national championship competitors going and, hey, in a tense moment, it happens. But I mean, amazing. I think South Carolina had a gas and UCLA was was the best team no matter, you know, at the end of the day, no matter what. Yeah. Yeah. And nine on it players making all region on the women's side and men's side is crazy. Yeah. Yeah, we had a ton of, we had a ton of people show up throughout the tournament. I mean, terrorist regime YouTube for Yukon. I know they didn't win the championship. Obviously, he played a monster tournament. I thought, I thought Yukon had a chance against Michigan there. Elliott Kadoa actually ended up being, of course, the MVP of the whole tournament. I thought, if you act, yeah, actually, Leidenburg didn't get injured. I thought it was probably going to go to him. But Kadoa played awesome. I mean, pretty much everybody for an on it team showed up in some way for their team in a big way. So we, I mean, we even had price Sanford Nebraska. I got eliminated. Obviously, by Iowa, he made the South All region team. So just a ton of different names. The Gabrielle Hawk has to for UCLA. I, I really like her as a player. I did not think she was going to go off the way she did in the championship game, but I mean, it just kind of goes to show you that when you have teams that are this elite, it's just like pick your boys and really all of them could go off in any given moment. There's a lot of buys here on the card side. Let's just say that both for WNBA and NBA, a lot, Leidenburg, I think is, can't miss guy. Just can do it all. I mean, he's one of those guys. They make so much now and, you know, thanks to companies like on it, they're taking care of them on the other side and the other places with, you know, name him as likeness. You know, they actually have a decision to make compared to like years ago, because there is some money and upside just to go around. But I mean, he's a, he's a total beast. I think he's going to, I think I'd be kind of maybe think I was like Michigan box. So I was thinking while I was talking. I need to, I need to store back some of those. He's got a big upside. Yeah, for sure. And one of, like, it's interesting that you bring that up because one of the guys that I've loved watching all year, I mean, I think a lot of people have is Darius Acuff Jr. at Arkansas. And they're, they're one of our timeless schools. I was listening to Calapari, Calapari talk before the championship game. And he made it sound like Acuff is coming back to school. And I was like, that would blow my mind. He's like top five in me. I said this in my YouTube recap that I put out. But really that one sequence where Teresore got the steel. And then he was falling out of balance. He tried to throw it back. And they missed a layup and the Michigan comes down in McKinney hits that basically down to three. That was like, that was a five point swing right there in a four point loss. You know, like to me, that was the whole game on just one sequence. I know I mentioned it last week too, but we now have the national championship commemorative boxes because they both won. So celebrating, you know, Gabriella Hacke as player of the game, Yaxel Lennonborg, Perez Johnson Jr. All the basically all the players that got these teams to where they are. And just like recapping whole season. Yeah, look, that a lot of future stars, current stars. You know, it's funny. I even hear myself saying that now they're all stars now within I L. And they're doing everything that pro athletes are, but they're also still in college, getting education. And they've got great companies like on it that are paying them for their name, image and likeness. And, you know, putting their own fair grounds for them and creating, you know, a future for them and savings for them. Because look, they're blessed with a talent. They work hard. And they're using their image, you know, in support of other brands. So it's a win-win and certainly a winning tournament for on it. Yeah, we had, we had a lot of success with the players that showed up, the teams that won, obviously. And I think a lot of people projected that Michigan would at least be in the final four if not the championship game. Yukon really shocked me. I thought I thought they were potentially going to lose to Izzo and Michigan State. You're supposed to say that they were going to lose to Ferman. No, I went to Ferman. No, they were never going to lose to Ferman. But I mean, yeah, just the run that you come to win on, we had a lot of good teams, a lot of successes here. I'd be shocked if we don't have even more success, you know, next year, especially with the talent that was on the Zorosh Resist here that potentially could come back to we call it basketball trending. National Championship Commemorative Box is Michigan UCLA. Shop now at onitathlete.com. Use code collector nation. You'll get 15% off your first order. That's on itathlete.com. Love it, Leonard. Always appreciate it. Can't wait to future segments. Clips and baseball has got to heat up. We need them. We got a guy. We got getting it. We will talk more baseball other sports. But hey, hell of a season here for on it in the NCA tournament. Appreciate it. Thank you, Ryan. What's up guys? Welcome to collector nation. It's our Friday episode here in the it was at middle. It was already middle. I can't believe it. Am I saying to the 13th or 15th of April, my days are messed up, but Bella will give me straight here in a second. It's the 10th. Well, it will be the 10th when this releases. The 10th when it releases. Yep. Okay. So it's not as fast as I thought. So I mean, what it is. We also got Leonard with us, our good friend. He is a sports card guys with on it. And just knowledge ball around. We're like, hey, join us. Brian's out of town. He's at some conference. Like Leonard's like, I'm in. We appreciate it, brother, for being here. Yeah. Thank you for having me. I've got, uh, got plenty of thoughts. I know. What's, uh, what says you hear in April? We've been talking a lot about the basketball tournament, which is behind us now. We got the NFL draft coming up. We got MLB. Are we, uh, a big draft follower or a big, uh, major, uh, major baseball guy? Yeah. I mean, both for sure. Um, the Yankees in Seattle, you know, yeah, it's a little bit. Yeah. It's, it's an interesting combo, but it's like crossover season, you know, kind of. We got the draft coming up and baseball is in full swing. So, and this is, uh, one of the fanatics fest tops hats, the Jeter one. So it's nice. As a Yankees fan, I appreciate it. Yeah. Yeah. Those hometown up there. Yeah. What was called the universe of, I don't know, New York City. Like, it includes Connecticut and parts of New Jersey, Manhattan. Like, it's kind of all the one. If you think about it, because like, I lived in, I lived in Manhattan. People come in from Connecticut. They come in from Jersey. You got a whole, I don't know. We're Yankees after all. Exactly. Yeah. Damn Yankees. So we say down here and stuff. You know, I don't care. I love all my Yankees. Hey, I got to meet Aaron Judge. So I will always hold the Yankees close to my heart. I adopted the Yankees while I was up there a little bit. I mean, I, it was fun. I love going to Yankees games. So if you don't enjoy going to a baseball game, like a live MLB game, you got other problems. Yeah. Seriously. You got 99 problems with that game, ain't it? Because it's fun. You have your hot dog, a beer, some nachos. A stomach ache from the hot dog. Absolutely not. If you're bougie and go sit in the whatever, you know, I can invite those luxury boxes. I'm like, now, I want to be out here where I have the sights, the sounds and the smells. Chance to get hit by a foul ball. The catch one, baby. Yeah. And a nice little sunburn or 29, the 9-9-9 challenge. Yes. Speaking of MLB, did you all see the big fight on the Brave Angels game? Yeah. How do you see? It looked kind of, I did not see it live. I mean, it was like a tackle. It's always like a little, like these guys are flailing a little. And I don't know how I'd react either. And I feel like I can hold my own. But in that moment, the charging of the mound, you're kind of like, yeah, all eyes on you. It's like, okay, what do I do? All right. So my glove, like, am I going to judo chop or give him the crane kick? I'm not sure. Well, the pitcher still had the ball in his hand. I was just waiting for him to. One day that's going to happen. The pitcher is going to chunk that ball and hit him right in the face. Still air with it. Hit him right in the face with the ball in his hand. I didn't see. He kept it. Someone else got to like speared. So it's just quite the fight. You know, it's a sad sort of time period for me and of the year because we're still so far from football and that's my favorite sport. But it's a really great time. April, May, because you have the NFL draft, you have the basketball tournament, which we've been talking about, which is incredible. You have masters week, which this is. And MLB kick it. And so it's like in the NBA playoffs, starting to come in. It's like a slow ride to that thing. We'll come back to that. But the NHL playoffs, at least in HL. That's right. They started too. It's a good, piece of good time. I actually kind of had questions about the masters and maybe more from a brand perspective, because I feel like the card market for golf, while it's there, you know, it's largely minimal compared to other markets. And I feel like the masters, they could capitalize it more than they currently are because it's like, I don't really follow golf that much, but I still watch the masters. And I know a lot of other people do, and it's kind of become like trendy. So I'm curious if they're going to capitalize on it more this year than they have. That's a good question. I mean, you've got live golf that's been I think with tops the last few years. I think that's right. Maybe, maybe, Pidini, I don't even remember. Who knows? I think they were with Pidini for a while. Pidini was a Pidini. Maybe still Pidini. Who knows? But I don't know why PJ Tours hasn't had more of a presence. And then it's a good point about the masters. I know we're going to talk about a certain collectible that's off the market here shortly. But before we get to that, it is like the perfect thing that they could have had like masters cards done well by someone high in. That would have been a nice club. It's probably set up. I mean, they could have done like, because I'm pretty sure they're partnered with Rolex too. Yeah. But I think they could have done such a classy collaboration between some sort of card with Rolex. I don't know. I think there's something there. And if next year, I see it, I want No, no, you're in the market here. You're in all this. What's the deal with golf cards? Yeah, I've never... Some people really love them obviously, but they've just never been mainstream for whatever reason. Like even Tiger, you know, like really old Tiger cards. They just have never sold particularly well for what reason. Like I would an awesome card to see would be like Tiger's Sunday red, you know, from like one of the years he won the Masters, like a patch, like at the Nike red patch. A great Emerald Masters Tiger card. Yeah, like in the green jacket. Yeah, with a patch auto of you know, the Sunday red that he won in and then like he, you know, I think we're starting a company here. Are we starting a company here? It's expensive. You get the gold threads. I know. Like golf is such an affluent sport that it's like why like you have the prime market for cards. I think it's because the plot, you know, you have certain number of players and it's the same. Even though there's a lot of names at float because golf is so hard, the good guys only stay good for so long. It's sort of like 10 to 15 guys that have name recognition, you know, and it's usually was Tiger Phil and everybody else. And I think the problem, both the problem in the maybe solution was to have a card that made them more interesting or made them more follow, maybe the cards could have been more following, but you know, you always are going to have Mike Trout on television, whether he's batting 210 or 340 that season. So you're always going to see him if you won't, if you follow the angels. Chris Smith, who might win a tournament, may or may not be on TV for six months, if he gets a little cold. And I think it has something to do with presents and media, you know, the cards can only carry it so much if you don't have a name. And I've come to that hypothesis just while sitting here. So it made sense while I was saying it. But I think, yeah, I was going to say I think part of it too is like when you think of being a collector and like the memories that cards evoke, nobody has like memories of opening golf cards, you know, so like there's no nostalgia factor to opening a pack of golf. Or like it's also a very hard sport to attend outside of like the waste management opening Phoenix, you know, and everybody parties it up on the 16th or 17th, whatever it is. Like, you know, when you think about opening a pack of really cheap baseball cards that are like 99 cents. God knows you can't get a pack for 99 cents anymore. But and taking them to a game and trying to get them signed at batting practice, right? Like for baseball cards, like it's a very core memory for parents, kids, and like golf just does not allow you the same opportunities. So I feel like that also could be part of the disconnect of where there's not really like a tradition or a lineage of families collecting golf and then passing it on down. Yeah, and I think I think that's where maybe you're tying back to where you started tying it into the masters, tying it into classic tournaments that maybe have, you know, historical like all the masters winners of the last 40 years and have a card set with those that might could get some steam. Because again, you tie it to the biggest tournament that has bass appeal outside of even golf. See, we need to stop saying our good ideas on the podcast. Yeah, we need to be able to we got a pack swap and sell them, you know, but I think someone's probably introduced that is so masters of them probably not to want to do it. But, you know, all of the prestige we're not going to have cardboard with the green jacket picture on it. Well, you know what they do have. We just want to have egg salad sandwiches in our little two and keep them two dollars. What they do have though is in the the shop at masters, they sell these gnomes that look like little garden gnomes. Sometimes they're Christmas themed. Sometimes they're golf themed, you know, like they'd change it up every year. And they retail for $50, but it's speculated that this year is the last year they're doing them. So the secondary market for them is already at $1,000. And if you want the whole set, $39,000. I'm going to go yard selling this spring. And I'm on the we live in South Carolina, I'm not far from Augusta. I'm going to go yard selling down an aching. See if I can find me some gnomes. I'm sure you can. Yes. I mean, that's a big upside. Are you proud of that knowing the guards over $5. I bet. And that's thousands of bucks. Come on. And like they're pretty cute, I will say. It's gnomes go. Yeah, but it's a garden gnome. Yeah. Yeah. And apparently they sell out like like if you're not first and not like you're not getting one. Yeah. So I never knew these were so popular. Well, if I had one, you'd get gnome. That joke. Sorry. I steal it from you. You'd have to display it in our store. Yes, I would as I'm saying, I wouldn't sell it. I've found a place down those and nobody stole it. It's true, Leonard. This is true. I'm going to put up high somewhere, bolt it down. Like I'll time it for that big drink machine over there. Mike could be the Spotify. That could be like an Easter egg or something, you know, like in the store, the hidden gnome that we find, I go yard selling and I don't tell anybody and I start store them. Obviously, you'll know. But it's like when you like during Christmas, when you hide the pickle and the tree, we hide the gnome in the store. I've not heard of this pickle with the tree thing. Leonard, do you know what I'm talking about? No, absolutely not. No, I can't pickle. This is a lot at all. But in the world, you said that like as if it was like, you know, the Easter bunny come. Okay, you take like a little pickle ornament and I hope this is a strange Yankee New York thing. You take the pickle ornament and somebody hides it and then you try to find it. And then if you find it, you have to hide it again. This is a family show. Hiding the pickle is not, you know, like, it's a good family show. It probably should be hidden. Okay, I hope the audience knows. We need to get some votes on this. Is anyone aware of this listening? DMA, hit us up on the YouTube comments. Hide the pickle on the Christmas tree. I don't know. I've heard you know from the show. You know from the show. Absolutely. Okay, well now I'm just embarrassed. It definitely is a thing. Okay, back to your regular schedule programming. This gnome is the masters. I can't wait to see him at the yard sale. I'm looking for that thing now. I need to picture with him. You know, I'm going to know what I'm searching for. It looks like you're on. It's South Carolina. There's a yard sale on every corner every weekend. I believe that. And that gnome, I haven't seen him yet. It strikes me as probably a prime item. Hey, someone bought 10 or 15 years ago to masters and never to put it out. They thought it'd be cool to have. And then they're going to obviously throw in the yard sale because they aren't following the secondary market. And yeah, they'd be pushing out on 2000 percent. Follow along. The journey of the gnomes, the masters gnomes, can Ryan find any in the yard sales of South Carolina. We will be on the lookout. And if you have one in your listening and you want to send it to me, we'll give you those details privately. Well, because we just told them how much it can go from the second day. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But it has to be graded, right? And I'll I'm the one that grays them. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yes, it's made to make sure it's okay. I would have made a potter. Are they like easily breakable? You know, I've never seen one of that. So I can't tell you. Okay, we got it. We got exactly. We'll look that up. We'll look that up. So we got a little bit of a switch over here this week. Topped the release in football for the first time, for with licensing, taking that over from Panini, that releases, I think, on the 15th or 13th by dates, or obviously not correct by the start of the show. I'm trying to put it 15th. 15th. So coming up coming up. Yes, it's going to be interesting. I don't know how limited release it's going to be. I see the prices are already going up kind of like the basketball did. It's like used to be kind of universally what like 25, 30 bucks a blaster, 40 to 55, 60 for a mega box, the basketball. No, those value boxes. We've also changed the name. We're no longer blasters. We're value boxes. I like as a marketer. I kind of like that. But as a collector, I'm like, I see what you're doing there. Value box, $50, $120 for a mega or something. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, that license will be expensive. Yeah, I mean, how many places are you going to find it for MSRP, right? Oh, exactly. So it's like $61.20, probably like day one, if you're lucky, for blasters and mega boxes. It's going to be all the same price as Donner's optic. Yeah, probably more. Donner's optic, you can find for 80, 80 or 90, I mean, when it came out. And I'm sure you saw the first day issue as well from tops. Their idea of first off the line, they're doing the same thing. They've literally just took, they just took Benini's playbook. I mean, they got first day issue. They're Dutch auctioning it. Like, I mean, they're just like, we're going to do the exact same thing. If you can't make a copy of them or just buy all the licenses. And look, I don't have a dog in the fight. I mean, good. I know, Ruben, like, good job. Mike, he's a killer. Like, what? You know, like, he's a beast of a business man. I don't care. I mean, I'll be selling and ripping and doing all that. I got no dog in the fight. But dang, it's like, it's expensive. But you know what? I don't think it's going to change the demand. I think that people are going to want it. And I think there's so many people in the hobby right now. They're going to buy it. Myself included, you know, it was a store owner. So, I mean, it is what it is. But I don't know what the, like, when does it become too much? I don't know. Do both of you think that we're headed towards junk wax 2.0 era with how much product is coming out right now? Or do you think that they're across brands keeping, like, purposely scarce? I feel like we're teetering on it. That's for sure. If we're not in it, we're teetering on it, like, right? And it's just they're printing so much. You've got these parallels that are one shade of a color different with the exact same picture. And somehow you slap a one on it and it's worth more. I get the only made one of that one shade, but they're getting a little lazy with the differences from these 101s to the neck, you know, one to the other. So, that screams to me, combined with the print number or anything else, that it could be. You know, I don't know if it'll be quite. I hope it's not as bad as 1989, 1990, you know, Don Russ and Dops. As we have people that bring those in the card store every day, I got some old cards I want to show you. And I'm like, please don't get in on top. Please don't be 1999, Don Russ and three out of four 1991 Don Russ, 19 on tops. Oh, wow, look at these. All right, to be a bear event is they're worth less than whatever your grandfather, your father, grandfather, grandfather, because that's age. That's what I did, but hopefully not your grandfather. Your father's collections worth less than what he paid for it, probably, but it's I don't know. I think we're close, man. I mean, there's a lot of being imprinted. There's a lot of options and it's slicing the bone pretty thin with some of the variations. Yeah, I don't call it necessarily junk wax era, but I do think we're in a junk parallel era, because there's way too many parallels. Like you said, and the fact that you have like parallels, you know, 250 into 499, non-autodd, like, why does that need to exist? Why does there need to be 500 variations of a guy? And then you have 250 other variations, and then you have one to 150 to 175 to 50, like parallels to me should not go higher than 25. Make them rare, make them really rare, make them have value, because they don't have an auto auto to to 499, it's like $5 card, depending on who it is. Some of them are like $2 cards. You couldn't even get COMC to sell them for you online, like, so. I literally opened the box last night. I'm not going to name any names, the nanny, or the brand or the specific one, football, select 2025. And I got a really pretty cool white looking. I thought it first, it was a zebra, because they look so close to the same, but it wasn't a zebra. It was just a white parallel. Numbered? It's pretty rare. Pretty rare. There's only 799 of these made, and I was 728, and I felt pretty special. I mean, it's like, come on. Well, exactly to your point, Leonard, exactly. Comp that card, and it's maybe $5. Like, it's not even worth the cost of grading, and it's numbered, so like, what's the point? Might as well be a base. My new favorite number is 728 now. I'll say that. Like 728. Is it at least a good player? I mean, your hesitation means it was a good enough. Let's just say that. Let's just say you played for the jets. Is there a single active player on the jets that's good enough? Like, I mean, I'm not saying you don't have some, a few diamonds in the rough, but they're ain't a whole lot there. Yeah, none of the hobby. I mean, Breezing Garrett are both. Breezing Garrett Wilson are both really good, but they just don't get any love because they play for themselves. It wasn't either one of them. I didn't know who he was. Most people would know it. Most fans would know who he was, but it was great. And I was just like, man, think about it. So how rare this is. It's kind of like, so how rare do you think of, okay, in some ways, you can go, well, they made 800 of them. You know, 799. So okay, it's always rare. Then I'm like, if you were asking a girl to go out with you, and there were 728 ahead of you, you know, out of 799, that's not a rare. You're not very rare. If you're like number 728, like, you know, that's a crazy way to think. No, it was kind of like, I don't think I want to be number 728, you know, like that's not rare. Yeah, rare is 20, you get a 25, okay. You know, just about an anything, the winner's point, add a 25. Okay, there's a lot of numbers in the world, but it's not 799. Hey, you could have been number 799. It's true. You know, I'm that, I'm probably that in a lot of other things, but you know, like how good I am at, you know, backgammon and other random, I'm mad. I'm good at yard sports. I'll say that don't don't come at me and botch you ball for his be, you know, crochet, croquet, like, I'll kick your ass in it. I'm a yard game wizard. Okay, we'll have to do it. Yeah, he's gonna say we're gonna have to do a cornhole tournament. Oh, dude, I'm just saying, that's that's my wife. I'm terrible at so many things, but yard games, some games that pay no money that give you no prestige. I am really good. Hey, I mean, they have, they're worthless. They have tournaments of cornhole on TV. I don't get out of trouble. I'm on the old show. Yeah. You know what I saw the other day was virtual golf tournament. Oh, yeah, I was flabbergasted. It's called, and I call it golden tea. Golden tea live. Hey, I'm in. I think I'm about getting one here for the station. Let me tell you, I'm not getting it. Yeah, I was baffled. I could predict. Yeah, trying to get productivity absolutely zero. We're close. We're close, Leonard. We're not far from it. Hey, we're productive here. Anything else on our topics of the desire? I mean, look, you're not there. Not only thing else is that the London card show coming up here is expecting 20,000 attendees. Hey, the hobby is worldwide. Yeah. Yeah. You guys see demand globally for on it, Leonard? Oh, yeah. Actually, it's kind of funny. You mentioned that. I actually know two people who are going to the London card show completely unrelated. But well, we have a guy actually who I met at my last company, who's a huge college football fan who lives in the UK. He's a huge organ ducts fan, big Denver Broncos fan, but he likes college more. He's like been really big on actually getting a bunch of on it football over there and running breaks for other guys who can't get the cards internationally because he comes back to the US quite often. So yeah, there's definitely a demand for college football. And obviously, I'm kind of tuned in F1's my favorite sport. So I'm really tuned into the F1 card community. There will be a ton of people I know at selling F1 cards there. So in soccer too, I feel like all the stuff that we don't really kind of accept over here in the US, like, you see a ton of that stuff at these international cards. We just like in the United States, we're just like so focused on basketball, baseball, and like we kind of just forget that soccer and formula London are these global sports that I mean, if you look here by year, they rack up way more money in sales than anything we do here in the States. Yeah, and I think it's, you know, like, is, you know, NCAA is trying to expand football more globally by having games in different countries and stuff. So I'm sure that there's definitely a lot of college football fans that would be interested in on it cards at the London card show. I've got an idea. I think on it and collect your nation needs to do a joint activation next year at the London card show. There we go. Well, I'll get all that. I'm in. Hey, also the London. Belliger to your point. Is that not the worst thing ever? Yeah, having having college athletics being played in Ireland and Spain. I'm sorry. That is the most ludicrous thing when they announced that. Maybe like who is it? Kansas and Kansas state are going to like Spain in the middle of November. Are we joking? Yeah. In the middle of the season, a big 12 conference football game is being played in ridiculous. I, that I've nothing. Are we wanting transfers? Are we going to transfers from there? Are we wanting to pull in? Like, I like admissions from the foreign country. I was, I get to try to spread football, but it's stupid. I live in the game started at 8 a.m. Like, I actually don't mind that on a Sunday just because in hey, I mean, breakfast, making an omelette and like, hey, Jacksonville, oh, Jackson was always playing on the Sunday games. I don't know why. Yeah, I mean, probably didn't say anything good about him, but hey, they're better this year. They're going to be better next year. So, uh, maybe they won't make the, uh, the London special. But, uh, I hate it so much. I don't think I've ever seen you so passionate about it. But like, it's just no other sporting thing does this. Like rugby doesn't send people, like soccer doesn't play internet. A league matches in the United States. Why? Because they think it's ridiculous. Like, the champions league tried to do it. And there was a massive pushback because they're like, this is a European tournament. We are playing it in Europe. We are not coming to Miami. And all the clubs like the club presidents got involved and like, look, we're not doing this. Like, I don't care if it makes money. This is a European tournament. But here in the US, we're just like so like, oh, football, we've got to get it to the Europeans. And it's just like, God, guys, this is American football. They want to come watch American football. They can come to America. Yeah. Well, we want to force it down one way or the other. So crazy. I guess that's how it is. But that's it. That's all we got. Leonard really appreciate you for joining in and providing perspective. And as always, go check out on it athlete.com for more with what they're up to. And Leonard won't drop any social dates or anything like that. Yeah. You can, if your interest is in on it, college football cards or just college sports in general, on it, athlete on socials. If you want to follow me, if you enjoy my passion, it takes about why American sports week in America. Leonard underscore on it is my handle on Instagram. You follow me there. I just actually inherited a bunch of vintage cards. So I've been showing those off recently. So if you're interested in vintage cards, you can come check those out. So and I appreciate you. We're always buying. We're always buying. We should talk after this. Then you'd be interested. Yeah. Oh, sweet. Let's talk for sure. Well, I appreciate you. I always love being on here. Hey guys, you want to find us to collect your nation, thecollectoration.com and the collector station.com. So check out our live inventory. We ship nationwide here in the United States. And of course, we carry on it. That's what you got to get to support those college athletes and support yourself because there's some high value cards coming out of these college tournaments. Let me tell you, we appreciate Leonard. We appreciate on it. We appreciate all our partners. We really appreciate you for making us a top show on Apple, top 10 in sports. Again, this week, number four, I think was the high. We appreciate it. Continue to like, follow, listen, tell us what you want to learn here. We'll keep bringing it to you here. Congratulations. See you next time. Thanks for tuning into the show. 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