Is Whatnot Gambling? The Hobby’s Biggest Debate Right

There's been some drama in the hobby this week. Unregulated online casino, rather than a noble marketplace. You bay light like they're all doing the same thing, so I don't know if you can necessarily single out what not. Well, I mean, they're the biggest player. So you start with the biggest player and the truth is down. I don't know if you watch the world-based ball classic last night and the epic game that it was. It felt like it was going to be like this storybook ending for the US. I felt bad for the fight. On the other hand, the guy do love a good underdog story. March Madness is here, though. Finally, Clemson Women's Basketball has a pulse. We get a newer coach last few years. Rocking and rolling. Probably these guys, both number eight seats. Welcome to the Collector Nation podcast here on the Collector Nation Network. Whether you're chasing trails or calling bluffs, you take you inside the hobby. Here are your hosts, Ryan Alford and Brian Lut. All right, guys, what's happening? March Madness is here. A lot of exciting things happen in college sports all around. And what's really cool is we're not just talking about the teams. We're talking about athletes. You can actually collect right now. That's why we have on it here. Leonard Barry, digital marketing producer at on it. What's up, brother? Hey, Ryan. Good to see you again. I had so much fun last week. I said, I got to come back. Yeah, brother. I'm ready to talk some college. It's always college town around here. We're like 20 minutes from Clemson. So, uh, and we got USC and all the other schools around us. Got some big athletes, big time programs to call gymnastics, tennis, baseball, football, wrestling. I know we got some wrestling news today. Talk about it. Yeah, we do have some wrestling news this weekend for maybe people who are so focused on basketball. It's actually NCAA wrestling championships as well. We have some of the best teams at on it. Wrestling cards. So, if you've never collected wrestling cards before and you're interested in that, you could definitely check those out. But amazingly, in our Penn State set, we have six signers. All six of those guys are number one seeds in their respective way class. So, it's Levi Haynes, Luke Lidol, Mitchell Messabring, Shane Van Ness, Rocco Welch, and PJ Duke. Every single one of those guys, uh, is a number one seed in their way class. And in fact, out of the six of them, only one of them lost all year. So, if you're a wrestling fan or if you're trying to get into wrestling, this is definitely the weekend Ryan for people to start watching wrestling. Leonard, let's talk March Madness, man. It's crazy. I don't know if you guys got a rabbit's foot or what, but all 12 men's teams and nine women's teams are in the tournament. Yeah, we got super, uh, super lucky. This year with the lay selections on they shook out, uh, 21 of our teams in total, they're making the tournament. The 12 men's teams, uh, we, we had one number one seed in Michigan. And then on the women's side, we actually have all four number one seeds, which is just kind of crazy that all of those teams, uh, work with us and we produce cards for the four best women's collegiate teams that are going to start the tournament here. You know, it's insane. And it just shows that you guys are picking the relevant programs, the programs that have the following, but also the ones that have programs that make them super collectible because they're playing in these end of year tournaments. Men's and the women's, I'll tell you this, the women's product, uh, alone WNBA now with on it with college cards. The women's game has really stepped it up. Uh, I think that the athletes are becoming more marketable. You've got on it, you know, promoting these players ahead of their pro career careers, whether they go pro or not, we're creating a soundboard and a, and a platform for them and hey, they're all in the tournament. So before we finish, Leonard, who do you see winning these things, uh, in the men's and women's, do you have any predictions? I feel that a lot of brackets, but in my number one heart of heart brackets, uh, I'm going Michigan. I like their style on the men's side 31 and three. They got a pretty easy path there in the Midwest. Um, so I like Michigan to go all the way. Uh, they've had the bumps, I think, needed to kind of know what to do in these close games. And then on the women's side, I think I'm going to take UCLA. I know Yukon is undefeated. It seems like blast for me to pick against them. But the way UCLA ran through the big 10 conference schedule this year, the way that they just beat down teams inside the top 10, uh, I think that they are, uh, the only team that has a chance to challenge Yukon. And if they meet up in the final, I'm looking forward because I think it's going to be fireworks. Hey, I like it. A bold, going bold, Leonard, I like it. You can be easy to say, oh, I'll take Yukon and Michigan. Michigan's pretty heavy favorite. I like to do personally at first, but then they got a guard that's hurt. So I think they're going to struggle a little bit missing that guard. I don't know if he's out the entire tournament or the first half. We'll see. I like Florida or Michigan in the men's. And then I, I'm rooting for the, you know, I'm going to get some, some pushback being a clumps and grab, but I am, uh, I don't root against my own state. I am pulling for the Carol South Carolina and Don Staley, who I love, uh, again, clumps and people don't be hating me. Don Staley's a badass and you know it. So, uh, anyway, uh, always not rooting for them, but I think Yukon's going to be cutting down the nets again, uh, if you ask me, they just look like they got another one of those teams. Are you? Hey, what's funny is Yukon's women's program was down when they were, you know, finishing second and third, you know, in the tournament, like, uh, I think that machines rolling again. Yeah, Sarah Strong and Azzy Fud probably two of the best players in the country right now and those supporting cast that they have around. Sarah's going to be cold to follow because she will be one of those turning pro. For sure. So, uh, collect now. That's why you need to get on it literally because, uh, when she wins a title, uh, which is very likely, uh, I have that on good, uh, authority, uh, just watching them play this year. Uh, uh, you get the cards now, folks. Let's, let's do it. Uh, Leonard, we're going to be fine on it cards other than collector station. Yeah, you can find them on at athlete.com. That's our main websites. If you want to just peruse through everything that we offer on the website on it athlete.com. Uh, if you're into like live ripen ships, we're also on TikTok and whatnot, uh, pretty much daily Monday through Friday. That can be found at on it athlete. All one word, uh, so if you don't want to open the cards yourself or you don't want to wait for them to be delivered and you want that instant opening, you can find us there as well. Otherwise, you can find us online or you can find us at collector station. If you're local to South Carolina, I love it, man. The sea of sameness is going on and a lot of things on us doing things different. Supporting these athletes, supporting the school, giving you something collectible, whether they go pro or not, you got the best of both worlds and Leonard, really appreciate this partnership and appreciate you for coming on day. Of course, Ryan. Glad to see you as always and thanks so much for your time. See you guys. What's up guys? Welcome to collector nation here on March 20th, 2026. You may notice something a little different on your screen. If you're watching, it's not me and Brian. It's not Ryan and Brian. It's Ryan and Bella. It is our enbe still. Yeah, yeah. Where's Ryan and Bella? Bella Shaffer is our executive producer who, you know, we bring in, we, you know, she's willing to, but like I'll call her out sometimes, but she finally has a camera over there. What's up, Bella? I'm no longer in my hidey hole. I know. So, uh, Bella is the official diva of the hobby. I've got to add some sparkle, you know, I will admit. There needs to be more flair in the hobby. So, uh, I like whatever it is. I mean, you had your green on yesterday. It was, uh, we should have recorded this yesterday. I think that would have been actually on brand for the hobby. You know, it would have been your green, the green parallel version of, of Bella. Okay. One of one. If, uh, if you get me to the national, I'll go like, I'll pink out. I'll wear a pink wig. Um, it might be affordable. I could fly you there. Well, me and the boys take the RV. Yeah, you guys can film it in the RV. Oh, it's not slumber, baby. Zach's got that thing looking about halfway there. I'm excited. It should be done by this maybe by the day before we leave. Yeah, probably. Well, I keep putting them on other things. So, uh, yeah, we got to, uh, got to tease what he's doing right now. Oh, uh, let's just say, look, we're here at collector station. That's where we do this show and the wonderful, easily South Carolina. And our hobby store that's open to the masses. They're ready to get to watch us here as we record. And, uh, you know, I have a back office that you had to admit. I, if some people would have done their office first. It's been the last project. Yep. In the last very last. Very last. Bottom of the check. Yeah, we got the studio. We got the store rocking, looking good. Uh, and then now my office, which has it's sort of just the door that goes into it. And let's just say, you know, doors are boring. Yeah, yeah, especially when they're just white. Yeah, white doors. We got everything else graffiti. Yeah, so let's just say it will tease you with this. Secret passages are cool. Yep. Uh, you know, maybe it's a proct of me growing up with the goonies movie. And like other things where there were like, it was the coolest thing ever to have secret passages. Hey, my house has one back, back in Connecticut. We have like a little wine seller to our laundry room. You're the cool kid then. I remember going out to kids houses that have like a couple of kids. I was like, I can't believe I'm so jealous. You have a secret passage near. I mean, it led to our laundry room. So it wasn't, it wasn't like you're safe room or anything. No, no, no, no. You know, your friend comes over and you all push it. And it's like, look at our secret passage. Your mom's folding. It's literally literally. Oh, yeah, wasn't super exciting. Yeah, exactly. But, you know, it is exciting. There's been some drama in the hobby this last week. I, you know, I think we got to start off swinging with what not and what's happened in there. It took me a while. I get my head around exactly. Okay. Following it, is there's a criminal charge? Is there's a civil chart? No, we've got arbitration complaints. You know, our legal system, yeah. I'm a college graduate, barely, but college graduate, own multiple businesses. I think by both measures, like, I feel like I'm a fluent. Yeah. And it, I don't understand our legal system completely. You know, I mean, you can sue anybody over anything at this point. But multiple arbitration complaints. It's like, okay. And someone's going to inevitably be in me and call me an idiot. And that, and that, I'll accept that. But it's like, and maybe I haven't had to go through enough of this, which is hopefully a good sign. But filed 15 complaints against what not. Unregulated online casino, rather than a normal marketplace. Which I think if you make that argument, like, you know, any other streaming place, you know, you bay light, like they're all doing the same thing. So I don't know if you can necessarily single out what not. Well, I mean, they're the biggest player. So you start with the biggest player and then it trickles down. I mean, the first time I see these, and I'll get to my opinion on this. So like, everybody's giving their opinion, you know, now that my feed is 80% hobby. All I do is get the opinions of of everyone else. I'm going to save that for a second. And more, I always go to things like this and logger and like, okay, what does the person who goes to have to gain? What are they going for? And it's like, okay, there's this money. Is this just getting their name out there? They're building their brand? Because if they, if this were to be successful, and what is success exactly? Getting them to be labeled. And I guess getting all the legal ease and everything that goes with it in the sort of guardrails that we have to put on our society because we're all children. And we, you know, we don't like to, we get ourselves in holes that we want the government and laws to keep us out of. And don't give me the children. Well, yeah, I know. I'm just saying, let's call a spade a spade. You want an opinion, you're going to get it. And so we need to protect ourselves from ourselves with more laws and regulations. And yes, I know that Vegas and gambling and all that has that too. And in a way, it is gambling. But I will say you do typically end up with some sort of asset on the side with his cards versus the all or nothing. You know, if you spend $100, do we get a $20 card? Yes, you were hoping you got a $5,000 card, but you at least got a $20 card. So you're really just overpaid for something. What if you go to a mall that has everything marked up, double what really anyone else is because they've got a fancy brand name and they put money sort, are we going to start suing them to because they marked their stuff up? But they're going to, but here's the argument. The argument is, well, they don't have the repeat, you know, the ways they draw people in and the marketing and all that. And I don't know. I also argue that doesn't necessarily make what not the casino. It makes the individual breakers a casino. Well, they're giving them, yeah, this is back to the who shots someone, the gun or the person. So the platform or the people that are using it. So it's an endless debate and I get it. I'm just, I understand in theory what this is about. And then it's like, well, if the seniors are going to be regulated, then why isn't this? But I mean, I will say in blackjack, either winner you lose. You don't pay $20 gambling on blackjack and get to keep five. You lose all 20. So in what not, this casino where you're trying to get the best card, you always get some cards that might not be worth as much. So there is a distinction here that you're trying to pay. And I think the bigger things what they're trying to say is less about maybe that and more about the fact that people get addicted to this and there's no limits and that there's not this regulation and the government and our business on every action that you take the way it is on gambling. Which I probably think it could use, you know, some regulation. But I mean, if you take that logic, opening a pack of cards is literally the same thing. Even if it's like, you know, done in different forms of randomized breaks or spinning wheels, like at the end of the day, they're still just opening packs of cards. And so if it's gambling just because it's online breaks, I feel like it could then regular packs of cards should also be labeled as gambling. Yeah, but you're buying a pack of cards to get what's in the pack and you might get something great. You might win a prize, but you're paying for what's in the pack. You're paying, well, for whatever's in it, you're getting what's in that pack. There's a transaction from money to cards in that pack and you have to assume that it's not the grand prize. This that that bozo the clown isn't going to roll the grand prize bike out to you every time you open the pack. You don't get that $50 bill from cookie to weirdo who helps bozo. And you know, if you're listening, you know what that is, you're an OG like me, the grand prize game, you ain't guaranteed to win every time, but you play the game. And so, but you didn't win nothing. They guess in most gambling, it's all or nothing. Yeah, no, this is a transaction for you get what's in the pack. You get what's in the break. You get what's in the spin. It's something and there's a you're taking the risk, but you don't get nothing. There's a difference. And that's my opinion. Do I think they could do better than what they do now to maybe curb what this guy, I get, you know, 15 arbitration complaints. That's to get chat GPD out to understand every, you know, word in this thing. But, you know, it's just we can have a few more few more guardrails without like going overboard. Yeah, no, I don't think what not should. They're going to spend a lot of money defending this. It's going to be bad publicity. And I don't necessarily agree with it. I want my kids spending all their money and getting lured into this dark, seated place that is breaking. Come on. But I mean, that's also like that's the risky run. And if the, you know, I'm sure they have the proper disclaimers and all of that when you sign up and join what not as a you spend the money and you get some cards. Those cards might be great and they might not be. But you're paying for the cards that you get. I just don't think what not should necessarily pay the price for other people's addictions, you know, like they're not telling you, you need to spend this money right now. No, but we're built on a society that with great success comes great responsibility. And it's not wrong. I'm not saying that's completely wrong. But it's also flawed in its own way. Again, I believe in some guardrails. Yeah, but I believe in guardrails and not absolute and every case is different. This is not the same. I'm interested to see how this kind of pans out. I think it will be interesting. And it could also be an opportunity for other platforms like eBay Live to kind of get ahead of the curve before they get put in a similar similar situation. I can't wait to watch 10 seconds of disclaimer at the beginning of every whatnot. Or eBay live stream. For sure. This is could be a dictating. You may or may not win. You may or may not get what you want. But you don't need to keep doing it over and over again. We'll lead to bad consequences. We'll go ahead. Consists what? Okay, here we go. And now we're in for the break. You should just have that. You might mortgage your house over these breaks because it's so addicting the spinning wheel and these shiny objects. They're so attractive. Oh, I did it. It's serious. I do. Don't know. I need no hate mail. Oh, this is serious topic. I mean, people were, you know, mortgage in their house to whatever. Okay, well, then they need to grow up. And, you know, there may need to be a few more guardrails. And maybe they're they need to get cut off. You know, when they start using the seventh credit card, let's just nicks it right there. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I totally agree. In lighter news though. Well, I guess not for the United States, but actually, I don't think this is lighter news at all for us. But I don't know if you watched the world baseball classic last night and the epic game that it was, you know, I really don't watch too much baseball, but this I did tune in for it was a pretty pretty interesting. I thought Bryce Harper was awesome. I thought that I was like, yes, like there it is. Here comes USA. And I give it to Venezuela, you know, they scored in the ninth. And it felt like, I don't know, like it was going to be like this story about gending for the US. I felt so bad watching the last guy like stand up at bat. Like I felt because you could just see the defeat in his face. You could see the defeat in the rest of the US teams face. And I just like, I felt bad for them. But on the other hand, like I do love a good underdog story. Yeah. So you're are you really that anti-American? No, no, no, no, no, no, no. But I just like, you know, like you could see how much Venezuela wanted it. And so no, I thought, you know, who won his baseball and like it's it reminds you of how much sport can kind of, I don't know, part this red seize of division and different things. And obviously, Venezuela won, but like it really is the great pastime and the great. I don't know teacher of lots of lessons and different things that don't always have to be about war and politics and everything else. Yeah, sure. And so I think it was a win for baseball. I think baseball had a really good pop last year with the teams in the World Series and L.A. And like, now I think this is just another thing that's going to resurrect. And not that they need them baseball's pop for makes a ton of money. Still the most popular trading card. But as someone that's gravitated more towards other sports having collected baseball growing up, it is rekindling a little bit of interest for me. I think they need to keep pushing the rules to speed up the games and do things that they can. No, I agree. For ADD people like me. But but I do think it was cool. No, I think baseball's fun to watch. I watch when you're there with a beer in a hot dog. Yeah, I see another beer. I kind of emit a tight spot because I both pull for the Metz and the Yankees. Oh my god. I know I'm probably going to get flamed for that one. Yeah. How's that possible? Well, I met Aaron Judge. Yeah. So maybe it's I just pull for Aaron Judge. Yeah. But then I just think the Metz are fun to watch. And I prefer in good too. Who wouldn't pull that guy? But I'm interested to see how Bryce Harper's cards prices increase or decrease based on that home run because since they didn't lose. If it had been a game winning, they go for sure. But it's kind of like it'll kind of in unfortunately, it'll be remembered but forgotten because it was such a huge moment. Yeah. But sort of it lasted all the five minutes like every really huge moment. A blick in time. Yeah. Kind of like hockey. Like, okay, the hockey goal like, you know, and now it's kind of yesterday's news. Yep. March Madness is here though. I know. I can't believe we went this long. You know, it only taking a what not controversy in me talking about it forever to keep us from March Madness. Yeah. The Clemson Tigers. All the matters. The number eight seed playing in Tampa against Iowa. Both women and men's Clemson teams are eight seed. Finally, Clemson women's basketball has a pulse. We get a great new newer coach last few years. Yeah. Rocking and rolling. Probably these guys, both number eight seeds. And you know, I love Firmman. I know this, the Bella's a Firmman grad. It's a great, really great school. Really like top notch. Everyone, I mean, I don't know how Bella ended up the way she did. I mean, usually people coming out of there. I'm kidding. She's here for a reason. It has a little to do with Firmman and a lot to do with her ability. But I will say they're usually kind of the little engine that could then they get to play Yukon. Yeah. I know. Well, anybody with Yukon. So I was a Firmman student when we went to March Madness last time playing Virginia. And it was probably the most school spirit I have ever had in my entire life. Like I felt purple running through my veins. It was and I was giving a tour of campus. And as the game winning basket hit, you know, that moment we walked into the admissions office and everyone just starts screaming the whole campus erupted. So I'm a little sad that one we're playing Yukon because it's like, okay, well, you know, bad stuff. And then two, it's at like 10 p.m. on Friday. Yeah. You just stay up that late to watch probably a smashing. Yeah. It would be the biggest upset in tournament history if it happened. I mean, there've been other 15, two wins. So unfortunately, there was only one of those losing to a number two. If you like 10, you're 15 years ago. But I don't think that's going to happen. But let me ask you this question. I got a question about Firmman. Okay. It's a it one time it had religious ties a little bit. Does that still the case? No, they haven't had religious ties since the 80s. Okay. Okay. I'm proud to eat still relatively conservative. I mean, I think like in the sense that we're in South Carolina and we're a small. South Carolina school that's well known for education and all that. The FU shirts. I love them. It always, it's gonna be a loop the first time I saw it. I'm like Firmman. Yeah. I love it. Firmman did this. Yeah. Was there intent? You know, I don't know. I did someone just do that. And then they didn't really know what they did. And then you step back and like you made you've printed 10,000 of them. And suddenly I was like, you guys know that's so our chant is also FU one time, FU two times, FU three times, FU all the time. And that's like what we say like now that was intentional. It had to. Okay. I mean, it's hilarious. We made it last March. I think it was Jimmy Fallon like during or was it Jimmy Fallon? I think during one of the talk shows and I tattered it in my life, I don't know. They were like making fun of the fact that we're FU and all that stuff. And I just think it's funny. I think it's hilarious. And I saw it, I guess for your like a few couple of years ago, whenever Firmman's been a little engine that could for a while, they made the tournament here and there. And I don't forget what it was. I saw it. That is awesome. I can't believe Firmman did that, but it's awesome. I mean, if it's right there, like you got it. I think we should have had and still have time. Even though this air is on Friday, we were recorded a couple of days before. We should have FU shirts, all wear purple FU shirts on Friday. Oh, perfect. Yeah. I can make it happen. All right. I don't know if that's good for Cosper. It's like, Cosper walks in, I'm just supporting Firmman. Not you. I mean, hopefully they know. I know. Hopefully they know. Anyway, I had to ask that. I'd never asked you that. It was a great thing up. It always flew in the face to me of what I thought of Firmman, but it was like, okay, maybe I do like Firmman. Yeah. And we also have Duke and UNC playing in Greenville, which not against each other, but I just think it's like we have a grand opening weekend at collector station, which is wonderful. We've got some friends coming in. We'll talk more about that next week. But I'm glad that also I would have gone inside and watched everyone of these games in Greenville probably if we didn't have this grand opening. Yeah. I was honestly thinking about that because I was trying to figure out, it was like, okay, how could we get tickets to the games so that we can still make it to dinner and still, but yeah, exactly. We guess we could have going to take in Baker and Brian to the game. We could we could take off work tomorrow and go to the games. Maybe, yeah, it's probably not hard to get tickets, right? Last time I checked, they were like 90 bucks for the whole weekend. No, one game, but for the whole weekend, but don't you can't you stay or do you get to leave after each game? I'm not talking about like what's legal, but it's like a day pass. I've never been. I don't know. I've been in long time. But the day pass are the whole tournament because we've games Thursday and Saturday. It's like $400 to go to every game. At least, I'm sure it's nosebleed. Yeah, exactly. You know, no, he knows we didn't. And bonds, of course. At least they finally, we called it bonds, course, not the ball of the center. It took a long time to get that off. That that sponsors have stayed, but you didn't know it. No, no, but it was the ball of the center report. It was there's no ballos anymore, but I was like, this is the greatest sponsorship ever. You get to keep the name even when the new sponsor comes in. Anyway, digress. Well, in other news, new releases. Yeah, we got some new releases. The 2025 Panini football prism black drops today as we're recording this. I just sold a kidney and bought a few cases. Cases. I only have one kidney. So I shouldn't joke about that. But I guess I can't get rid of one mind. I sold one of yours. You don't like, we're gonna start you're getting a couple weeks. Black market. Not cases. I bought a few hobby boxes of that. That wasn't on our normal release, but I got suckered in like most of it. I think we could sell them. But it's a cool product. And it might be the last year with the license because top spot never give it back. I was done. I wouldn't. No, I don't think they're going to. Let's like get sued for it. Yeah. But anyway, it looks like a cool product that's coming out. Yeah. Yeah. I think they have a lot of parallels that are coming out. Yeah, I want that manga and that color blast. And I'll take the prismania for, you know, a nightcap. And we also have some other ones. I predict series two hockey, Bowman's best baseball and top's heritage baseball coming out too. So, I mean, there's releases left right in center. There's always something. There's always and we've always got to hear it. Collection station. Yep. Got a few that heritage coming in. The upper decks series two hockey. We do not have that because we bought some hockey. How could that move great in South Carolina? Shocking. Yeah. We'll see. And, notably, this weekend, seven people last me. Yeah. I don't know if you have more hockey. Well, we got in the the monopoly prisms. The soccer. See? Did you see those? Yep. The World Cup. Yeah. See? I think those are those are really cool. I like this. I might have to rip one of those because they want to see it. Okay. Don't do it without me filming it. I know. I've been hot lately. I pulled the downtown last night. Yes. And you keep not filming it. I know. So I run the social media downtown. About a one megabox. I got like a no I got like thousand dollars. It's a card that won Donner's megabox. Don't tell me that. I'm going to I'm going to make you be mic'd up twenty four seven. Ryan Thomas Jr. numbered card. It's like a hundred. And then his downtown. Really good. And then a really cool pat my homes. Scat a boo. Scat a boy. So I call him. I got pet names for everybody. You got to I'm going to make your boys start just recording you anytime. Well, honey. Well, Nash and I've been ripping that B friends. We got some good number ones. Yeah. And he's got to have a camera out. Hey, I took you pictures. You know, I'm telling you. Hey, those super stickers. If you're listening, we got them. We're going to have on the website. That's where it's at. That's a nice collectible. I mean, there's a hit in every single one of it. Like every single one. And it's like exciting. Like I like that. You know, I I'm getting into the cards. But the B friends they tell you exactly what the hits are. How likely you are to get them. And it makes it so easy, especially if you're new to the game or like just kind of like the excitement of opening it, but don't want to learn all the players. I think if you're into like the character or stuff or Pokemon or anything like. I don't think that this would be a kid. But I think there's something for everybody. And they look cool. They feel very collectible. That's the the biggest compliment. That's cute. Like I just found the names and generally positive behind them, the meaning behind them that Gary put in there. So it's different. But it has enough of what makes it collectible. Like the other cards, the parallels, the numbers. But then enough that makes it different and feel fresh. So I'm excited to see what they kind of do with the I mean, obviously it's a new new brand. So I'm excited to see where they go with that. But last thing we have today, back to Aaron Judge, he just had a Bowman's Chrome draft pick auto superfractor one of one sold for $5.2 million. These records just break every week. I mean, it sold in 2022 for $324,000. We have that being flown in for me to wear as a necklace for the guy that I'm getting it diamond accrested right now for you. So don't even worry. Oh, good. Okay. I appreciate that. But like how that growth, I mean, you can't even if you invested in the best damn stock in the market, you're not going to see a jump from $324,000 to $5.2 million in four years. No, no. It's placed among the top 7 to 10 most expensive sports cards of all time. And he's up there with the Honest Wagner's like, I mean, it's crazy. I don't know. I'm just glad I got a card store. I also think it's interesting because when I first was reading about this, I kind of just assumed like, oh, golden probably is the one to sell it. No, fanatics collect. Yeah, they're trying to get in on the accent 5.2 mil big ones. I mean, I can't wrap my head around some of these values. Like, I think it's cool card. I mean, I would have given at least a couple grand for it. I mean, yeah, not no, 324,000. That sounds about right to me. Yeah, four or 500. That'd been a nice jump. No, 10 X. Well, the part that's scary to me is like, you know, where's it going? Just still playing. So what if I mean, he seems like he's relatively healthy and a good guy and all that great stuff. Like I said, I met him and he was so down to earth so sweet. But, you know, you don't know what's going to happen in the next 5, 10, 20 years. Like, no. So you're going to make a 5.2 million. Like, where does the card go from there? Does it keep going up? Like, I don't know. What's it make? It's more begs the question of what's it make other things worth. And there's a lot of people holding cards like in this territory going, well, what does that make this somewhere? I think one day you're just going to walk out from your PC and be like, well, guys, this card's now worth 2.2 million dollars. Yeah, maybe you never know. I have a couple of but it would take more than 2.2 for me to like close down the shop. It has to be a few other zeroes behind it. 2.2 does go as far as it used to. You know, some people let's pocket change now. Yeah. So we'll see. I got my taste for bigger than that. I need to, I need like that 18.5 mil. And then I wasn't really changing anything. Five bigger boat. It's 75 feet now. I need like, yeah, I need like 200. I got a cash in an invite to that house boat. Oh, it's coming. The summer tours is happening. We'll be on the boat working, you know, one of the days of the week. We'll figure it out. Perfect. Oh, I think that's all we got. Yep. Yep. That's all I got. You ought to find us the collector nation.com. You can download the app in the app store as well. 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