Is the Hobby Recession Proof? Why the Hobby Keeps Growing When Other Investments Don’t

Do you think if there's a recession, what happens to sports cards? The hobby is still growing 27% euro per year increase in hobby participation. So I don't think the hobby is going anywhere. We have been in a negative sentiment environment for like last 18 months, and the hobby has ignored every bit of it and grown. But a lot of cards that sold for a lot of money last year are selling for even more money this year. But if it's sold for 3,000 in 2024, sold for 12,000 in March of this year. 4x in two years. Did your 401k 4x in two years? I don't think so. I wish it did. Hey, what's up guys? We are back with on it, Leonard from the team there, the digital marketing producer. What's up Leonard? What's up Ryan, how you doing? It was a great week of college basketball as usual in these tournaments. Hey man, huge week, a lot of fun. I was watching Clemson baseball. I was a little bit down, but I was actually studying my cards more and appreciating the cards even more. But the big story of the week, honestly, is the basketball. I'm holding today and we'll get to it in a minute. Of course, one of the biggest endings, and I don't know how long, the Yukon Huskies men taking down the Duke Blue Devils, what a weekend of basketball man. Yeah, crazy stuff there. Unreal ending. I mean, not shot to win the game for Yukon with the scenario that we're in, down by 1.10 seconds, Duke has the ball to get his steel, hit a 35-foot logo, three to win by 1. That's going to be up there with Christian Laitner's buzzer-beater. It's some of the best in NCAA tournament history. I think the scene, too, the shot after where Hurley's walking around with half of his jacket hanging off the shoulder, and he's just swaggering. He got in the face of the ref, you know, like, I mean, it's just everything about that was such an iconic moment. That's why I love watching Yukon basketball on both sides, because they're just fighters. I love watching. I mean, the women's, you know, the audit teams, I don't know what you guys did. I don't know who you paid off, or they're just all the best, but they're all crushing. Yukon, I mean, the average wins, I don't even know what they are. I can't count that high. The Gamecock women, UCLA, Texas, all these teams still in it, it's been exciting as well. Yeah, it has. UCLA, I think they scared me a little bit against Duke. They did not look great. They haven't looked great. Alternative, and I talked about that last week. Yeah, but they just keep finding ways to get the job done. You know, and that's kind of what we talked about with Yukon. They're like, there's a test into the UCLA women. They just keep chipping away no matter what has to be done. They all do their jobs. They get the job done. That's why they're, of course, in the final four. You got Yukon on the other side. Both of those teams are in. We talked about it for weeks now that we think that that's probably going to be the matchup. UCLA won last all year. It did come to Texas. So playing Texas in the final four, if that's the case for UCLA, maybe they get their revenge. Maybe Texas goes through. I like Texas a lot. Madison Booker is a very special player. She's an awesome Joyce Edwards at South Carolina. Another special player that we've talked about. I think on the women's side, it's really awesome because I don't know about you, Ryan. But I feel like on the men's side, it's definitely more team-based, which I feel like in the past, it's kind of been flip-flop. Like this year, on the men's side, I feel like it's very team-based. And there's nobody who is necessarily heads and tails above the rest of the crowd in terms of they're bigger than their team. But I feel like on the women's side, there are a lot of players that are that big. Sarah Strong, AZ Fud, Lauren Beves, Gabriella Hawkeyes, Angela Dugalic, like Joyce Edwards, Madison Booker. There's just so many amazing women's basketball players that are coming through and some of the best guard players that we've seen on the women's side in a long time. 100%. But I'll tell you what, I did grab one of our on-it boxes here. Figure we do a little unboxing. This is the men Yukon team. Any commentary? Leonard, while I pop this one open? Yeah, let's see who we get. I mean, there's definitely some big players here for Yukon Solo Ball, Teresore Jr., who was a monster in that game against Duke. I got Alex Caravan too. He's been amazing this season. Played his last game for Yukon at home a couple of weeks ago, got inducted to the ring of honor already, which crazy thing, like a guy still playing. He might play for a national championship and he's already in the ring of honor. So I love the names in the Yukon men's product. So hopefully you can pull something big. Maybe we can see there's an auto here. See what we get. This one feels lucky. I don't know why. Okay. I just tell myself those things. Yeah, I mean, you got to believe it, right? That's right. Yeah, Malik. I Smith, Jacob Ross, football, Wayne, James Ross. I'm not going to like do just justice to his name. Uh-oh, we got one flipped around here. All right. What do we got? Up. Oh, nice. Silhouette there. Nice. Is that the silhouette? And that's who's the player? I don't have my good eyes in. Hi, I can't see him here. Eric Rubay. Rebay. Eric R-I-E-B-E. There we go. Okay. Not bad yet. Eric Rebay. Please a little bit off the bench. Silas. Oh, yeah, we'll take that. Jalen Stewart and Silas again. A different variation. Cool. I really love the feel of this silhouette. Yeah, silhouette. Yeah, it's got that, uh, Schwade, relax, a better word. Yep. Feel. Okay. Yeah, those are one of the, those are one of the base inserts, but they're the shorter printed base inserts. So you don't find as many of those around. And people are generally looking for silhouettes. So not too, not too shabby. Yeah. We get here on the next pack. Let's see something huge. See you, Banger. Okay, Smith, a couple very different variations of photography in action. There's the same Eric guy that we had. Silas. Hello. Okay, Otto. Boom. Hey, on. Hey, Leonard, you know how to call him there? Out of one, that one 35 or one 95, Bill is your house better than mine. Autograph. And the player's name there, Bill. Silas. How's everybody? So it's the very junior. Yep, so it's the very junior. That's sweet. Man, that that is a cool refractor on that. It's got kind of like a shimmer. I don't even know how I'd describe it. How would we describe that refractor I'm seeing there? Yeah, we call it a shimmer auto. Perfect. Shimmer auto. Okay, there we go. Now we're getting the color on this thing. Yeah. Very sweet. Hey, look at their guys. Autograph right out of the box. Couple others here. Look, they're very cool. I don't know if our cameras taking up the the white there. Very fusion there. Clean. Look. Love it, man. Hey, I'm not in on a, we'll end it there on the bank. Yeah, we got the autograph right there. Only took two packs in. Still got more packs in the box. Telling you, these are awesome. If you're a Yukon fan or you're watching this and you're going, hey, they're probably going to win, then you get out there and pick them up. Because those values are going to increase and it's a way to document the moment that is an incredible final four for the Yukon Huskies man and women. Fun, man. Those are fun to open. Yeah, they're blasts. So we appreciate it. And if you know, anybody from any of our audit schools ends up winning on the men's or women's side, like we had with the Penn State Wrestling Box, we talked about last week more than likely have championship boxes, too. So I remember it even the whole season. So we've got a fingers crossed that Michigan, Yukon win on the men's side and then any of those four number one seeds win on the women's side. And then we'll have a bunch of fun with these commemorative boxes, too. Get out there and pick them up, guys. You can get them at collector station. You can find them online and you can find them at many of a retailer's Walmart and some others. Do carry it. Oh, in IT, we appreciate our partnership with them. And go support these athletes and the college game with our good friends at audit. Thanks a lot. I'd really appreciate it, man. We'll see you next week. Thanks, Ryan. What's up, guys? Welcome to collector nation here on Good Friday. It's always Brian and Ryan here on a Friday. What's up, Brian? How you doing, Ryan? How's the weekend? Hey, the weekend was great. We're recording this early for Good Friday. We've got stuff to do. People to see babies to kiss. And Easter eggs to find. So we had to record a little early here in the week that I cover all the gamut today. I find anyone or not if anyone for a possible Easter celebrations. Do you know anything fun with the fam? You know, this is an interesting year for Easter. It's offered back. You went there something to go. Good story. Not a nice, pretty quick story. I will be alone all weekend until Sunday at 2 p.m. Wow. That's good. Well, literally. Brian, how long has been this? I've been alone that long. You know, I call me. I was doing the math. I call me if you need 10 years. I will. I mean, I really could use some help. Maybe I'm going to be like, what do I do with all this time? Minutes. Anyway, it's starting a new project. Yeah, I mean, my, you know, my two boys are with my ex this weekend. My stepson, we have two, we had two two-year-olds and a four-year-old that we brought together. They're now 12, 14, 15, you know, 10 years ago. And they're, they're away in Nash, whose Nicole and I is only together with his hers and ours. He and Nicole are going to Legoland with her sister and her son. Oh, that's what we went with the older boys to Legoland, like five or six years ago. Nash wasn't old enough to really experience that. So Nicole's taken, they're doing the, you know, sister's thing with their sons. I voted all in for yes. You have to go do that. And I'm not because I want them to go away, but like, yeah, that's great. Perfect. I don't fit well on those rides. You know, I'm 65, 275. Like, dude, big dudes don't belong at Legoland. And anyway, so I'm alone all weekend until like, they come back early on Sunday. So we'll do our little Easter family thing. So I should be prepared. I'll hit church up, you know, on Sunday. So I should be prepared for things to all be changed in the studio. There could be things, for sure. I will be running audio video to all the TV so that when people are coming through, when we're recording, they can watch in here. Right now they can, they look over here, and they know what's going on, but they can't. We don't have a plane through the monitor. So anyway, but that's my Easter plan. That's it is a unique Easter weekend for me. What about you, Brian? I'm alone all week, which is great. So during the week, I am totally solo, which is, I work anyways. It doesn't really change much, but it does let me. Yeah, Brian's like, yeah, and that's some of a sudden how did the office? Well, it really changed. And then the weekend, the family comes back on Friday night, and then we'll do an Easter, family Easter, brunch on Saturday, go to church Sunday, and then I'm heading out to the top's industry conference on Monday morning. Oh, that'll be fun. So it's been an interesting week in sports. You had on one hand March Madness, sweet 16 stuff. Then you had Kate baseball and full swing. Pun intended. How are the white socks kicking off the season? Oh, exactly like you thought they would. Oh, and three. Wow. I didn't pay attention because my fighting align A are going to the final four. Yes, big week for the fighting a lion eye out of Illinois. Yes, go Huskies. What a game you come on. You and I are going to fellow you and I are going to pull a wager on this one. I got five bucks for you. All right, well, five bucks really going all in there. Okay, I can, I can, I can give you 50. You got locked out of her apartment, so she had to be doing her 50 bucks for that. So five bucks is fine. It's more of like breaking. I'm like $300 in the toilet from this weekend just on having to pay people. I think for you guys to do more like a, all right, the other person has to wear the other person's hat or something like you honor like, or yeah, okay. That'd be more fun for the show. The mascot head. I got to wear like the mascot head and she has to wear the head dress up as an Indian. Yeah, what is the fighting a lion eye? Is that a? It was Indian. So probably you guys haven't had that name removed yet. Yeah, there are, well, we can't, there used to be a chief that danced. Oh, he doesn't know more than I don't think he's dancing anymore. But yeah, you know, it's, uh, it's a tribe. It's a tribe from Central Illinois. Because Indians didn't do any in dances. Yeah, that makes sense. I mean, I read some books. I'm pretty sure they did. Yeah, just like we did. Well, we've had some interesting statistics that we've been able to pull so 40 cards have sold over one million dollars since the beginning of 2025. Believe it or like 40 doesn't even seem like that much, but when you think about probably half of those were, you know, five, six, seven million dollars and the other half were over that. Like, it's, it's crazy. Five, two and a half by three and a half pieces of cardboard. That is crazy. And I'm curious because I like it's only getting bigger. So I'm curious how much that number increases by the end of 2026. By square inches and weight are collectibles. The most value, you know, those 40 cards was valuable thing on earth. By weight, a hundred percent. Yeah, yeah, the three ounces. Yeah, yeah, that's diamond encrested question. Do you think if there's a recession because there could be, well, there will be again, what happens to sports cards? Are we insulated or do they go down the same as other assets or less? I think you've got some insulation from people and institutional money and other things that I don't think there's going to hit every segment the same. So I think you got that going on. I think you have more stability than you have in the past because it spread out across more sports, more people. I think a lot of people are motivated for them to not go down. And I always, I always like to bet on motivated people. I also think it depends like if you're talking about like high value cards, there's always going to be a demand for like a bonus Wagner or, you know, any high value card. I think lower value cards might be impacted way more. Yeah, I agree. If you're a billionaire and now you're not worth a billion, you're worth 800 million. Like you could still buy your five million dollar bonus. Like sorry, but like yeah, yeah, that 200 mill didn't like cash it in. No, no, no, you're you're still living pretty much the same. Yeah, and if you may, if you've got 50 mill or 10 mill, like midchanges, but hasn't changed that much. A mill does. A mill. Yeah, if you got one mill and your house isn't great, your house is going down, you know, you're worth 800. Yeah, and you don't or your house isn't paid for or something. Yeah, if your house isn't paid for. Yeah, but yeah, these are good, good question. Good on stat there, but huh? It is. Yeah. I think I do think, I mean, big issues like we get this gas under control. Like, like, like, it's not forced ourselves into like, I think sometimes the news will try to talk us into a recession. You know, we're not really there. But, you know, if there's no gas to be had, things get interesting. Yep. We all just get along, Brian. It's pretty simple. But bombing each other. Yeah. But I don't think we'll be, you know, the hobbies still grow in 20% or 27% euro per year increase in hobby participation. So I don't I don't think the hobbies go in anywhere, even here. I mean, here's what I'll say. All right. I mean, this I'll encapsulate this. This will make sense, I think we've been in a environment where no one has, you know, like a 50% of the country, at least, hasn't liked the outcome of the presidential election from last year. And we've been in and the news is controlled primarily by that group. So we have been in a negative sentiment environment for like the last 18 months, for like news. Would we would everyone agree with that statement? I would probably wish it to 2016. Yeah. So like, we've been trying to get talked into a recession and had negative sort of vibes for almost two years in the news. And the hobby has ignored every bit of it and grown. But nonetheless, a lot of cards that sold for a lot of money last year are selling for even more money this year. Yeah. So I mean, I'm looking at some of these numbers, like literally, stuff that sold for 6,000 in December, sold for 10,000 in March, stuff that sold for 3,000 in 2024, sold for 12,000 in March of this year. So two years, is that 4x? Am I doing my math right? Three times four is 12. Yep. 4x and two years. That's crazy. Is your 401k 4x and two years? I don't think so. I wish it did. Okay. I have some rapid fire questions for you both. And for the audience, they don't know these questions yet. Who should answer first? We'll give it to Ryan first. Okay. A card or player, you think the hobby is mispricing. That can either be their price too high or too low. Jaden Daniels. I think he's injury prone. I think he's probably still higher. I think he's got the talent to be worth more. And he's showing the injury bug to be worth a lot less. I don't know if he could play eight seasons and then a fell and not stay off that. So I mean, that's the modern. And then honestly, any player that's in the hall of fame, like from like the last 20 years, I'd say they're undervalued because there's some cards that just don't make any sense how undervalued there. All right, Brian. I would go undervalued. I think Mike Trout. I think his price has dropped a lot recently. So I think that's he's undervalued. And I mean, overvalued. I mean, it's just it's all these new guys. I mean, it's all the new guys who haven't really done that much that could get hurt. Like the high it's a high volatility market. But also I was going to be making being like the highest valued card, you know, like being worth, I don't know, 20X, what a bonus. So like this season or rookie. It's like a great man. You're like not chasing Daniels. Like throw whoever just named the guy. And then also undervalued, I think are like you said, especially the NBA dream team Hall of Famers, I think they're undervalued. Yes. Yeah. Shaquille and Neil of Scotty Pippin. Mark Lee's. I don't know. Mark Lee's way underrated and undervalued. Yeah, a lot of those. I have John Stockton, rookie. It needs to go up needs to go. What is a card that you'd sell immediately if you had it? You know, this is hard for me because I would sell anything to make that makes money. Okay, fair enough. Bad question for a card shop owner. Yeah, like other than like a few Josh Allen and Trevor Lawrence cards that I have, like I would sell anything for the right price. But if I know why you're asking it for a different reason, I'm trying to think of like, I think any one of one Jackson Dart I'd sell it right now. Okay, Brian. I would say the Pokemon Illustrator for 16.5 million. If I had that, yeah, absolutely. I'm just, you know, rapid fire. I just whatever comes to my mind. What came to my mind immediately was the BAM cards, the player that. Well, that could moment's coming gone. You needed to have bought and sold like immediate like that same day. Oh, the one 24 hour opportunity, I think. Yeah, that was just immediately what came to my head. Card that you would hold no matter what, like there's not a price. Well, I know that there's always a price. But theoretically, no price that you would sell it for. Josh Allen, prism silver PSA 10 rookie pop is like 30 because they just made shit cards that year at a prism and there's just no PSA 10s of it. And I wouldn't. And I'm going to buy that card this year. So I think he's going to be Hall of Famer and win a Super Bowl eventually. And I would say, I would say Otani, I would say any Otani, I think he still has room to grow plus internationally. You know, he has a market. So any low numbered rookie by him, I would hold on to it. I think home Brady cards are still underrated, even though they're not undervalued. Like in some ways, I accidentally threw undervalued for what he really did and how, how good he was. He played so long, I think, Tom Bird. Yeah, he got, it got diluted because he played so long. Yes. But high value Tom Brady cards, safe bit. Yeah. What's a card that you would never buy even if it like got really popular? Isaiah Thomas, Ricky Courts. Yeah, for reason. Because he was kind of the foil of like the bowls trying to get over the hump when I was a kid and the bad boys, I just really had a disdain for the Detroit pistons. And when Chicago finally got rid of them, we got Pippin and like Coocoach and freaking, I mean, if all people, what's his name? Keep thinking of it. Craig Hodges. I mean, like, dude, I hated the pistons with every ounce of my being, like Bill Lambeer cards, Adrian Dantley, all those got John Sally. They can all never go up and I never want any of them. Okay. Brian. That's a true Chicagoan. I like that. But I would say mine is Rodgers. Aaron Rodgers cards and Jordan love cards. I don't care. I'll never own them. I don't want them. If I get them, I'm selling them. Okay. Last question. If you had $5,000 and zero collection, zero card collection, and you wanted to get into the hobby as an investor, what would you start with? Pete Rose, Ricky card, probably. I don't know. I think that's under five, like a highest PSA grade I get. Pete Rose, Willie Mays, like first five years, something in a high grade. And then like whatever my favorite players, Ricky card is. Okay. Mine is any Jordan, rookie, whatever that is. Maybe it's a four, five, whatever it is. That's what I would get. Or Wayne Gretzky. Okay. I just thought of this. I don't know if this trend ever hit y'all. But there was a trend for a while where people were like trading a bobby pin until I get a house and they just trade up and up and up and up. It takes a while, but they eventually would get a cheap house that's for closing or whatnot. I'm curious if you started out with a base card, how long it would take you to trade up to a really good card. And so what you're the base card is. This modern. No, but you've got to start with something that's valued as a bobby pin, a piece of junk, and you just trade up and up and up and up and see how long it would take. And we're here. We're living in the meantime. Yeah. Just it's for the content. Yeah. A long time. Give me 30 days. If I can do a card, if there's a good card show, five days a week. If I'm somewhere where I'm guaranteed, I know that's tough ask, but if there's five day a week card show, give me 30 days. I can because you're going to get sympathy flips at first. Somebody's going to give you a dollar or something. This worth a nickel. They go, I'll give you a dollar. You know, and then game on from there. I mean, you give me a card. If I had nothing to do at a card show, but go flip through some bins and make some deals on the floor and I had no other option. You know, no kids that I'm watching, making sure some creepers not looing something or like taking advantage of them in a deal and no show and no Brian to have a beer with and have fun with. You know, like I was just focused. How can make some deals happen? I think something, I know it's probably not us, but I think somebody should do it because I had to be curious. Well, it's got to be someone who lives in like not in Chicago or New York or LA. Like, we have different levels of what houses cost to get into. Well, no, you don't have to get to a house, but just like, that was just an example. It could just be like, start at a base card, try to get to like, and a thousand dollar card. If I do, I have a laptop. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. That's two weeks. Maybe we'll make a bet about it. I mean, look, I could. It's, yeah, I could scrap on the internet and between Facebook market, if I have the internet and a laptop and card shows available to me. Well, you also could post it for content. So you have the whole, literally the whole internet. Yeah. So it sounds like a challenge. I guess. Yeah, I think I could, I'd be in that contest. I don't know if I want to do it. You got better things to do. Yeah. And like, I mean, I can, I will work that hard, but I don't want to necessarily work that hard. Yeah. No. Like on that. You'll work, you know, like I get, you worked 500 hours in a week in a month, just like 900 bucks. I know. I mean, you can make it happen. Man, it's tough. And that, you can get some snowball stuff. I've watched enough YouTube videos of my kid that my kids watch with these guys. Supposedly do some more things. You never know. You know, go to these foreign countries and they're flipping and doing things like and I made some of it looks made up, but I don't know. I got some, I got some decent pointers. You find some, some good gems on Facebook marketplace. Oh, yeah. I like, it's, I could like a living off of Facebook more. I am very good at Facebook marketplace. Even though I hate it, I hate it and love it. But I can, I find the deals on there. Let me just say that. And I go sniff it out. Yeah. You didn't tell Brian about our goal posts. They got in their corner now. Exactly. That thing is awesome. We got a freaking fill goal in the building. Was that your new project this weekend? Absolutely not. The thing's already turned, that thing's turned key in the door in the window. It's like a, it's like a, it's probably like one tenth the size of one, but it's pretty awesome. That's awesome. I think it has some competitions. Still like eight feet tall. Yep. Well, let's show that maybe, maybe point your camera over there or you can't really see with that. No, you can't. Yeah. But we also do, from the grand opening, we had a live shoe painter and come and paint some really, really cool shoes. And I think this is a good closer here. Oh, yeah. But Brian got Josh Allen Jordan's. We're going to do an unboxing. All right. I haven't seen, I have not seen these. I saw them getting painted. I have not seen them in person. So this is done by a local greenville girl, her Instagram's AP customs. Oh, she's looking at that. Oh, she even branded her box. We got like a stamp against that as a tear off my. That's pretty cool. Let's see that. Yeah. Okay. So she's an architect that does this kind of as like a little side gig. We have cards that were here on top that had game worn Josh Allen patches in them that are now gone. Uh, she blooped into. And those are sweet. 17. We have the patch one patch here built into the blue that you can see is game worn. We have auto on the shoe. Hold from. And then we have the number 17 built into the side and the side. Oh, they look so cool. Yeah. Yes. So, black was this called splatter paint. She pulled that from one of the his signatures on the card. We should get his we should have him sign them. Yeah, we can. And we know anybody that knows them. Yeah, I do. Oh, man. Patch here. Game worn. We got the buffalo behind the Nike swoosh. And 17 on the shoe toe. Yes. Custom one of a kind never made before never made again. Game worn patches affixed Josh Allen Jordan ones custom for yours truly. And if you're watching on YouTube. I need Chicago beers. Yeah, we can make that happen. We can make that happen. She's awesome, dude. We're getting her locker for these were these were solid white. So 100% white. All there was no. She painted the red, the blue, everything. Yes, cool. It was really cool. Well done. These will go in. I have these displays Brian will show this next week. Where it sits in there. And it levitates and turns. There's there's literally no like space below it. So both of them will be showing and levitating. Yeah, whoever listens this on radio is moving missing out. Because they're awesome. Yeah, you got to watch the YouTube to get these custom to see the custom. Yeah, they're they're awesome. And Alexis, if you're listening to this, you did a great job. And they fabulous. Yeah, came out better than could have ever expected. Yeah, last thing from the grand opening. Oh, yeah, this is the mint case with the Caleb Williams. This is Mike Baker graded and on the block chain officially engraved on the side. We've got night. It was graded 9.5 by Mike Baker. Authenticated. Mike Baker was the lead grader PSA. Now does Mike Baker authenticated. It'll Williams color blast 2024 rookie. In this hefty like seven pounds glass and adamantium. I made that second part up, but it's definitely glass case. Yeah, we there. So Brian per up makes these cases with the mint. And he was on the show and came to the grand opening and hand delivered it to Ryan. It was pretty awesome. First ever one hand delivered. And this video probably doesn't even do justice. You really need to be watching. If you're listening today, go check out the YouTube or go check out the collector nation app. Watch the whole thing. You'd see how pretty Brian is in real life and see how good looking this card is. Pretty cool, right, Brian? I love it, man. You got some good stuff. Have you seen these things? Did you have you seen these cases? I have, they're amazing. Yeah, they're really add. I mean, you know, I think there's, you know, a long way to go for the hobby. Like, there's been like, okay, how can we display these things more interesting and more, I don't know, custom and luxury is not the word I'm looking for, but like high end. Yeah, high end substantial. Like putting a 1.5 million dollar card in a, yeah, it belongs in that case. Yeah. This is like five grand, you know, but not, you know, but not 1.5 million, but it's in one. So the least thing you can do about, yeah. Yeah. And I did get one of their cards. I wanted to show I've been waiting on this one. This is Trevor Lawrence rookie downtown low pop. There's like 20 of them PSA 10. My boy. That's pretty. Even from like here, I can see the refractor on it. Yeah. That one's really nice. That's cool. Oh, yeah. Any final words, Brian? No. Happy Easter to everybody. And we will see you on the flip side. Yeah. We appreciate everybody for listening. We know you have options. Light episode today. Just talking news. What's happening? The hobby perspective. Join off some of our goodies. And of course, you know, here in Brian, breaking it down, everything that's happening up there in Shytown. We always appreciate him and LudEx, L U D X, go the app store download the app. Thank me later. Best scanning tool in the hobby. And for digital collection management eBay selling all of the above, I've been using it all weekend. So let me tell you, go get it. Go check it out. You'll love it. We love you. We appreciate you. We appreciate Bella. Always for being the producer with the most us. I try. 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