Card Care, Grading, and the Line Between Preservation and Alteration | Kurts Card Care

Stuff that's like a hundred years old could be just filthy dirty and you can clean these cards so much Like this is where I'll get the most like oh Like thing right like well soak a card and get all the wrinkles and dirt to come out of it And then teach you how to dry them and it first blows people away Which goes back to one of your earlier questions this stuff freaks people out because they never seen somebody soak a 1952 Mickey Mantle until they met me, you know, I kind of got a little bit of a twitch you'd say in north soak Welcome to the collector nation podcast here on the collector nation network Whether you're chasing grails or calling bluffs You take you inside the hobby Here's your host Ryan Allford What's up guys welcome to collector nation here on the collector nation network You know there's no doubt there one knows at this point my affinity for the hobby and getting back into it And part of what I was talking about with my guest today before the episode got started was Hey, I get to like look at like a product or a card or something one day And then the next day I'm talking to them. This is one of my favorite products in the hobby I'm just go ahead and say that and that's unpaid unscripted that just is the truth and it is Courts card care, and it is it smells really good. It's Kurt Cologne Ryan, what's up, man? Thanks for the amazing introduction and thanks for taking the time to have me on dude Hey, dude big fan of what you're doing Look man, these are treasures use this word yourself treasure. We're treasure owners. These are treasures We got to take care of this stuff man like why don't you want it to look better? I mean it's ain't about like I love it I can uh, you know, I can I'll raise my hand always both my hands Yeah, I'm looking around when I got back into the hobby I started looking around for a few different things because it's been I really put it on the shelf like okay Got into bat. I was a basketball player year round In high school and middle school and put the cards up and they didn't come back out to my kids got into it So I was like of 25 years on the shelf and when I came back into it I was looking for a few things. I was like number one. Okay. It's got to be apps now. It's got to be apps. Right We got to have technology to manage our collections all that. That's right. Okay. All right. We got new looking cards We got that all right. All right. It's got to be a better way To keep up with them to call it, you know, keep it to clean them or to like it's got to be something It was like it took me a year to find you like because I didn't really have time. I was doing it passively And then finally like I tripped over it and I was like oh, yeah This is what makes sense. We've got to take care of these car Like sometimes you got just small. It's not even a blemish. It's just like a smudge like you're finger ground You finger prints. How can we do this and not hurt the card And here you are I'm the I feel like I have the That same thought ever since I was a kid, you know, I'm like they are our little pieces of treasure, right? So that was that was as much as little treasure as I got I just knew that I always had to take good care of them and I always looked for Ryan To be a customer of a company like mine because I figured it exists Yeah, I figured there's got to be a way to get Common things off of our little collectibles or little treasures And I just never found anything that was like satisfactory and then like being like a person It's always I come from a family that embraced art that embraced Um a lot of hands-on stuff and being creative and stuff like that and um If we didn't have a tool for something we'd figure it out, you know, and that's really you know just I couldn't I couldn't find a Kurt's card care that had all the The issues that I wanted to work on so man. I just started piecing it together years and years ago and You know, I just I took a chance of probably about five and a half years ago And I'm like I'll make an Instagram page see what people have to say about it And the market you know really spoke for itself and that turns out that everybody's waiting for something that was You know practical and easy and reliable to like kind of Add a whole new layer of you know, like collecting Talk to me and I want to talk some specifics around The process procedures what to do how you I think there's some fast and I think for people that either Know your products, but probably haven't heard you talk about them explicitly Or people that are just hearing this first time like when I didn't go and oh my god fine Oh really and hitting the order button Like but What was it like like is it the Does Kurt did Kurt have a laboratory at his house like what was the process for developing this product? Yeah, dude, that's pretty much right. That's exactly That's exactly it So like I'll give you the you can unpack it further if you want But I'll try to trim it down because I forgot like people who watch this would be like what is this guy do like what is he talking about so like Um even a trying to like meet other adults through like kids sports I'll ask me what I do when I'm like well, I make some great products to teach people how to take care their Pokemon cards and baseball cards Like it's kind of hard even explain right but um Where it all started really Ryan was Just me being a particular person and a collector my whole life and I've always um I gave a lot of credit to my mother my mom's an amazing artist But my dad was a crazy mechanic and he was very good with science and my mom was super artistic So like just in the household I grew up in it was like you fixed up with art or science or in in really Sure enough, dude the things I've loved since I was a little kid like playing guitars. Listen to music collecting cards I really think that I just really kind of stayed with professionally through my whole life, but like when it came to the card care stuff I started My family owned a dealership, okay, so like when you work in a body shop growing This is going yes You're I'm around really creative awesome people my father was a fabricator Great painter like people that could do amazing stuff like Detroit mechanics is where I'm from, okay? So like guys that were real good at their hands and then like So when it came to working in the body shop and we did car not card shows, but car shows like every weekend We'd compete and also we had race So like I had a really fun kind of weekends growing up So one of my deep my jobs was to detail everything keep everything super tight and super clean So that that didn't really the apple didn't fall far from the tree And so then you know being I always like how stuff is made I'm always just a big I could watch like how it's made the TV show like on binge watch for the rest of my life Probably and still want to watch more of them like I'm really I love how stuff ticks And like the essence of how stuff's all put together like I was watching people There were some people that cleaned cards or tried to improve But I wasn't like the only person I ever thought of this But it was usually with like other Windex Yes They want to find the wrong the wrong blend Ajax Yeah Because you know the salsa that's like mild and then there's salsa that will like put you in the hospital That's kind of like the same thing like metaphorically speaking is like chemicals You know what I mean? So like there is some really easy Responsible great ways to take care of paper and plastic But it's usually not achieved through stuff that's under your sink or on the the shelf and your garage So that's where I really stepped up and was like I'm gonna make stuff because it doesn't exist and It um I'm a stubborn mule right and like I will do something over I will fail one thousand times in a row um just to get it right dude I'm just and that can be a strength Anna and an annoyance for those around me But um when it comes to the the the building and testing and everything. Yes That's uh that's how I started and fortunately now Now I don't have to like have a kitchen laboratory anymore right out back We have a beautiful state of the art laboratory and facility where Now I have my own professional lab and this is where we develop and manufacture all of our products Where where's home we are in Detroit Michigan Detroit Michigan. Hey, how the automotive hub they hand right there. Good for All my family man was all all all immigrant auto workers It's so funny. I when you brought it to Carthage I look I owned uh I've done the entrepreneur thing for 10 plus years. I I think I keep saying 10 years and I feel like it was two years ago And I said I think it's uh my ticker is not adding up enough but uh When you're asking where you enter the time warp and all the sudden you're like 30 years old 12 years now because I I left the the corporate world I did kind of venture back in it for like half a second And then got back out again, but uh then the less so uh It's I could see like Kurt playing in the lab like you know 10 years ago seven years ago whenever you started like That I'm seeing you in a white coat with beakers or something like And smoke like that I don't know why my brain goes to the TV you know version. I know it doesn't all work that way I would always be kid that wanted like you know an art set for Christmas and a science lab You know, I mean like I was I always love putting stuff together I think let me ask you this would And you do I'll say this you know once I finally got the product and was using it about four months ago I went down the the rabbit hole and watched all the videos Uh, not uh maybe not everyone but like all the ones that mattered for what I was trying to do Do you think the average person would be surprised or disappointed with how You know far gone a card could kind of be versus what a little bit of just Restoration and cleanup can bring back. It seemed to me like it was pretty magic Thanks, man. I think that it's pretty and you're a great person to speak on that right because you I didn't even know each other until today until you Yes, I mean like yeah, this is unscripted and it's unlike uh performed. I'm just a fan Right, thank you, man, because it's like you know, it's like my my sister in law is a Owned a great bakery and naturally when she brings me cookies. They're freaking amazing because she made them Yeah, but you even know about my cookies You know, so I think that most collectors would be surprised because one of my initial nudges to get into this Ryan and chase it down was I was uh, I'm 44 now. I was 20 probably 24 I um Put all my 1986 Flee or stickers and basketball cards together. I feel like I'm an artistic person man I feel like I got a good. I I know what a corner dent. I know I knew in my mind Dude, I sent all these cards in to get graded it back it I got like five and sixes on all these. I was like brushed. I felt like I felt like Like we're talking about card grading like come on get her get real But I was so disappointed in myself. I was like dude. What is this? I might mad at them or I mad at myself. What is going on here? That's what I started really going to card shows on the weekend and And going up and talking to guys. I had nine and tens of my do you do anything to this? How do you do this? What does that you know, and I started collecting data? Yeah So then anyways since I was so surprised about how low a card can like score or house condition sensitive They were I had a lot to learn So then when back to your question if somebody gets some card care stuff and they have cards that are 20 years old Even if they're kept in their binders. You got 20 years worth of Springfall summer winter, you know, all kinds of different atmospheres and stuff going on You'd be guys would be surprised like I bet Ryan when you did like did you do sports cards or Pokemon cards? Like what were the ones that you had for cards? I had unfortunately prime junk wax era 87 to 92 Good stuff that has patina on it to clean up Yes, so regardless of the player I bet you even found it was fun to play with these things after a while because it was like I can get this wax staying off or I can get this corner straight or whatever I did that with a lot of 87 tops like, you know, base card like crappy. They're all base cards I guess like has the problem with some of them have no rarity because they're all printed, you know 800 million times the same card But yeah, I would play around with that like I don't know what that powdery. I don't know what that substance is Like you said, it just gets on there and it comes off though It is I think that Ryan was a lot of the plastic stuff that they were kept in yeah Plastic will degrade as the years go by and you'll get like a kind of like a surface degradation on those types of things so it's hey, I am I might be easily amused, but I just always I always love my card collection And I always thought it was fun to just like make them look good again You know, I mean it's like who doesn't who doesn't clean up something like your space your office whatever And it looks great and you feel good. I tell you it's as silly as it sounds Clean it up your old collection is like a super cool Feeling and it's a good skill to have if you're an active collector You can buy it so just so we put this to the bed like what is the debate though Like I get that if you're getting like the paint I hope or getting like you're truly changing the card Like yeah, there's boundaries here like I'm getting my I've got a professional like waxing like you know like putting a whole new coat Of something on it or it. I don't know if that would be good better different making things up because I don't know how to do these things Um, but pain or something. I'm you know retouching it, but what is the heartburn over just purely cleaning up the cards and Like restoring them without altering them. Why is there a heartburn about that? I think Ryan because like a lot of times people don't like something until it's popular you know and I think that um It first and then sometimes you can think that like a few squeaky wheels speak for everybody You know the yeah, we can grab a few bits of data and we think we painted a whole picture Out of trillions bits of data out there, you know because even like you is a person this In touch with medium plugged in you didn't find about me until a few months ago, you know And the last thing I thought was wow this is Potentially a bad product doing bad that no the first thing I thought was this makes a ton of sense and is amazing Right and thanks for that and that's and that's yours, but somebody could totally it's always rude You know, I know it's like again. I get the retouching thing but that's what I'll say right because like here's what I would say to anybody I'm assuming anybody watching this. I'm just gonna assume that they've never seen anything like this before or they might not know enough So like the thing is Me personally I never got into this for a business it turned into one But I got into this because I loved cards my whole life. I didn't I don't have I grew up in a very blue collar family And Detroit cards were kind of like my treasure They seemed way more important to me than anything else, you know I mean so like it's I started with a love of these things And then 20 years ago when I'm cleaning off the surface of cards and working out Figure out ways to get wrinkles and dents out of them never once. I think about like All of this is I'm gonna like you know teach this to the whole world or whatever like that I just I just enjoyed it So I got good at it and then I sit sending these cards to get graded and I realized hey if you not a clean off stuff off the front Or clean off stuff off the back or figure out you know shape them up you can get a higher score And personally as a competitive person I like that, you know to mean sure the money Money's money's part of the picture, but I'd I'm me personally if anybody wants to know I don't even sell anything I'm a I'm a packer at collector. I am a collector So the narrative of somebody's trying to say like I just do this for a bunch of money No, that don't work because I don't even sell my cards. They're all they're all I'm a hoarder I am curious though what Kurt's hit rate is now like now doing what you do Like if you and I don't know that you do it. It's just if you're packing them But if you if I gave you 10 cards, you know that we're in You know feasibility But had issues but feasibility like what your hit rate is like on getting like tens you Yeah, like a ten because you probably know whether to even send it or not like I support that right? Question right and like and like kind of like what I was saying like is To improve them. I think every card has a potential for improving one of the best things I can teach anybody that's in the card Care is how is the right stuff to look for and race up to buy that's where it starts Yeah, because you can't buy a bunch of cards at our PSA 9s and say put Put this on the front and it's gonna come back at 10. What if that's not even the problem, you know I mean, but it's off-centered. Yeah as a as a card care person You got to pretty much develop your eye of what's doable and what's not so like I do I create hundreds of videos Hundreds of teaching demonstrations. I go live every week trying to really educate collectors like what's doable and what's not Because like what we're saying in the past question is you know I've knew I always knew as a person that treasures and loves these things I never would want a cut of card or tremacard. I feel like I would hurt my heart Like I don't want to trim it up. I don't want to add any stupid colors to it I want to teach people how to remove those colors that people did before, you know Um, but yeah, I just always knew that that wouldn't be legit But I always thought to myself so coming from the automotive world the huge thing that makes a automobile worth more money when you sell it Is numbers matching which means everything is stock everything is stock showroom stock So like original paint yeah original original color code everything so the thing is if you Um, when I will look at cards, I always figured that's like a it's a total modification if you trim the card color to card It's it's out of bounds and I'm that I'm not into it So I always thought do what you can do with the original materials and improve it to its best self Again, a 10 since I always look what went for like The broken the beaten in the blue are the bruised I never got tens. I just always got beat up fast cards And I thought were cool that felt like treasure to me and it made me feel good just making them look better You know, I mean the value was almost in the time spent honestly, right? So like it was just like something is a person that has as a creator and as an artist like I like making stuff look cool So you know line it up 10 cards that are like nines and trying to get them out tens I've never even tried that because I don't even care about that Hey, you know, there you go, but that alone should solve the Any debate that's out there and I didn't personally see it so uh, but if somebody else wants to do that line up nine cards and do them do it Yeah, though, I want to I want to look at my store at least know what I'm buying I don't like not let you know you got to at least know and it's hard to meet on us to unpack and teach everybody here on this today But like the pride the best thing is learning what's doable versus not, you know Yeah, that's I'd love for you to talk about that Kurt You know, and I'm talking with Kurt Colon he is the founder of Kurt's card care and this is a business specializing in cleaning polish and restoring products for trading cards and collectors so Kurt talk to me about okay, what's Fix is the wrong word What's like you can break it down we can do modern cards vintage My cards like let's talk about modern. Let's start at modern cards. What is Improvable fixes the wrong word improvable So most modern cards and I'll preface that saying even though 90s were a while ago Modern cards pretty much started in 90s. If you guys collect, you know like tops chrome and prepenny prism We'll just stay right there those cards as years go by The plastic like Ryan can tell you on the front of them they get cloudy They get dingy even if you kept them in a nice place. It just happens you guys So like you can that's one of the most satisfying things if you guys ever watched my before and afters And you see one that's just like looks like it's this cloudy and then you see one right there Ryan will even tell you it only takes 10 seconds. It's not even it's not a process. It's just seriously Wiping it down, but then you'd say like well, you know Why can't you just use a towel it just doesn't work that way you got to be able to cut through that crap So like cleaning up older cards stuff that's new Ryan. I make a um This right here. It's called recovery. It's a it's a little light scratch remover And it's great because a lot of the a lot of the chrome cards and prism cards have a thick plastic cover But they they they're scratch magnets man, you know, they get real scratched up So like if you get good with recovery you can do a little light surface buff and eliminate little surface scratches Um, and then really finally like the things that you can do on the back of these modern cards is if you ever see dense and stuff on the back I can even show people how to get dense out. So those would be like the top three things you could do with like a modern era Can you get a crimp out from the prep machine? Oh good We can try, you know I should bring you up for that like just come to a degree and then we'll fly in and Literally That'd be like a fun thing. I have a JJ McCarthy Uh Which literally autograph that one of my boys pulled is one of those when we got back into it We ripped more than I I've already said this number a million times now, but let's just say 50k plus over like a year Hey, it was time with the kids Yeah, it was But you know one of the first cards that we got that we were excited about was a JJ McCarthy rookie. This was last year Right when the you know all the hype for those guys was high Oh, yeah, and beautiful card And it had a and I'd never seen this we'd already ripped for a fair amount A factory crimp all like well across the bottom like I had never seen before It's Yeah, and and some people tried to just play me for the well, it's 101 I was like oh, yeah, it's like yeah, it is and then people said well, you could send it back It would probably replace it But there was something nostalgic about it, but then I was like when you were just talking I was like that may be a bigger dent than you're talking about though But it might be possible because you would be blowing away and the thing is everything that I teach Ryan like I'll tell people something about me like I made this stuff for me first So I had to learn how to love using this stuff before I expect anybody else to use it And I'll tell you guys what even though I said in this interview that I'm stubborn I'll do the same thing over and over when it comes to working on a card I don't have infinite patience. I want to get something done I need to see some results or I'm or I'm getting a little like itchy So like most things that I can teach how to do are pretty easy So like Ryan when it comes to like the crimps on the bottoms offline you shoot me a picture And I could probably give you a little recipe for it because there might be a possibility And this might not much or it might not never know So so we can get the dense off the modern talking Modern card that took us off a little tangent there with my own personal Hey, look if I'm going to have on get people I get to get my own personal like stuff You know, we get at least leaning into Kirch's knowledge The uh But so the modern cards we can get maybe some dense out that might be on the back we can get Surface level small micro scratch is potentially What else with those modern cards that about it? You know the good thing about modern cards is right in their rigid and they're strong So you don't have a that but the but the but the blemishes are a lot of times permanent Because on the front on the opposite I like to educate people like what what you're going to deal with if it's permanent Those dimples on the front don't talk to me about dimples Throw them out throw it out, you know Though those it's just I imagine when they make those cards there's a heat press involved There's you know there's a manufacturing process and it's just There's going to be little dimples on a thin small piece of plastic at sometimes, you know So those are unmovable the word print line that's a collector word that we'll use a lot Yeah, either print lines will be either dug into the card so deep It's like a river and I ain't going nowhere Sometimes our streak of grease and you can wipe them off and you're like magic and other times it's a little like scuff And you can use like recovery to buff it out a little bit those are going to vary, you know Yeah, yeah, yeah, they proceed with expectations and check So that most people that love here's something I can share with you It has turned into like such a crazy community that Doing this I would never guessed it right I knew people would like cleaning cards But you don't know when you come out and make a page and just put yourself out there and say All right, you know, what do you guys think? You know good, better and different. I'll I'll hear it because How much you ever going to feel it out, you know, yeah? Yeah, yeah dude I It's such a topic for discussion too like like how what'd you do here? What you I get I can just see the I mean you your forums or whatever You're in like you got to be tens of thousands of messages. It's yeah, that's what it is That's really what I'm really doing right now. I really focus hard to like give people Great service like exceptional service because I know that if people start with card care And they can get over the first bump of like learning a few things They'll love it and they'll do it forever I also know people like get into it and like work on their best card with like a couple bits of information And screw something up there out forever So I just felt like if I'm going to do this right I got to give like my initial first few years of customers and always but I mean like really hands-on care Because collectors like we we uh we roll together So once you once you train 10,000 collectors how to collect or 50,000 collectors how to take care of their cards They're going to take care of their homies and everything will be cool You know, but I really just knew that if I didn't support this product and like treat it like a treat Everybody like my they're my brother and they welcome to the studio here every day I just knew it wouldn't work So as much as I got to work on these products You know, it's like I got to teach people how to how to use them while and you know Be cool to answer in the same question 350 times today, you know, I'm about to say that's if I take patience because you Create the videos to and I'll probably let me go ahead and hurt forgive me now I will in our relationship and friendship that is just getting started but will be best buddies at some point because I'm going to force you But I will probably ask you something that there's a video on but just be patient with me You don't visit Ryan you know, right? It's a blessing to be busy with something you created That's true Yeah, let's put you I don't remember all right all track. I have so many things. I like talking with a card about here Vintage what can we what can be expected? What are the types of things that curts card care helps with my favorite my favorite We could talk about paper vintage cards all day like them. Well, we'll keep it short You guys even if you don't collect vintage paper cards right now. It's a good time to get involved because No, no, your history man, you know, you can learn so much from vintage athletes vintage stories, you know I'm a huge heart. My heart is history. I love history, you know from my family tree to You know the all the baseball cards so like with baseball cards pay pay let's say cards vintage cards are From when they started until 1988 now be vintage paper and These are amazing you guys because they've been through so many errors So like stuff that's like a hundred years old Could be just filthy dirty and you can clean these cards so much like this is where I'll get the most like Oh, like thing Ryan like where I'll soak a card and get all the wrinkles and dirt to come out of it And then teach you how to dry them And at first it blows people away which goes back to one of your earlier questions is like where did people this stuff freaks people out Because they never seen somebody soak a 1952 Mickey Manel until they met me, you know I kind of got a little bit of a twitch you say in the word soak. Oh, you gotta watch I watch that video yet. I wait if you look at the you guys even this is where I'll have Watchers Ryan. They don't even collect because of my vintage stuff I'll have people that say hey, when are you gonna do one like this coming up? You working on one they're like oh, we don't even collect cards. We just like to watch the old ones you do So I do too and you know what the vintage ones do do you know how many older couples that like For just an example I've had you never know who your customers are until they say hello to you really, you know I assume they're guys. I assume they're probably 30 to 50 But that's a bunch of them But there's a lot of really cool people that don't fit that demographic I have couples that are like couples that are in their 70s and 80s that stopped building puzzles Because now they go and get their old vintage cards and they work on cards together as a husband and a wife Like super sweet touching stuff, you know what I mean? It's awesome So like and that's where the vintage cards brings them in because they grew up watching these dudes, you know what I mean Now does that soaking process Like Does that improve grading or is it just a personal view? Huge improvement, you know, I mean So you got to do you can't use friction on an old piece of paper So you got to do what's best for the card, you know card care, right? So you got to the only way that you're going to be able to and and like the fluids I use, you know Everything I build is archival grade gold standard And that's why I couldn't find this type of stuff I know what it takes to build this stuff But it just doesn't exist for the types of products we work on, you know Paint paint and ink on cards from the 40s and 50s is unique compared to stuff from the 70s and 80s And if you don't know what you're doing, you're going to find out You got a card We're for you people You want to you want to know guys put 20,000 hours into this? Here you go, you know, you can go and put the wheel again You know, but yeah, so the vintage is amazing So you guys dig into the vintage and all of these all of these lessons Ryan are on YouTube on playlists So if you're just like, if you're with my Instagram channel, you just kind of see what's on my mind today I'm I'm I have a very healthy amount of ADD So you'll see randomness all over my my my daily channels, but all the All the toolboxes are built on YouTube. I love it man What's like the one bit of advice For people or a couple bits that are getting into sort of restoring Both old or new maybe some universal truths Yeah, I mean, I would think that For me like if anybody's watching this and you just find it interesting and you're like, you know That seems like something cool. I don't think it takes more than that. I think it's like something that I find that you'll do But it's just like like say the thing like if um whatever you whatever you like to say you like to exercise You like to exercise practice good for you, but you know Maybe you have a lot of good thoughts during it and like you just kind of brings out the best of you I've had naturally people share before and after and they say hey, I enjoyed you know look look at the product actually works or whatever But I really find that people that have are built like this way and If you don't want to do this if you look at it and you're like god I would never want to deal with it. It just gives me stress and anxiety don't ever buy this stuff Don't ever do it. You know what I mean like I know a bunch of people up going golfing I hate going golfing like I don't ever want to go. It's like I'll pass. Thank you You know, I mean so same thing with card care But if you guys watch this and you see some of these before and afters Don't write a story that you're gonna screw up and you suck write a story that you're like Hey, this is kickass and I'm gonna get good at it And I'm gonna learn because this dude like built all this stuff for me and like made a million videos to teach me You know that that's what I'd say and I'll add one for you and you you put this on there. It seems simple, but Use those worthless raw cards that you don't that that are you know two cents one cent and then nothing could improve the value Test and practice on those When I see my old man bending out like a fender of a 1970 AAR kuda. He didn't have a test one to go. Yeah, no It was like you nailed this shit or it's not gonna look So it's like when someone's like oh, I'm not gonna be good at work. Have I poked my hands? I want to be like practice, dude Get in the game, man. Well, you got unlimited But you had unlimited base cards over there to practice with I'll be like this tough guy. Come on. Don't give me that whining And maybe the most important question Kurt is do we have any kind of a wholesale distributors ship so that I can carry this in the store I that's that's really Ryan like a really special thing that we've had to help grow our company You know, that's how you kind of check in to make sure you you know, you see your returning customers You see your company grow, but then also like retailers pop up around the world and around the country and it's You know from a guy that's Works hard for everything. I couldn't thank anybody more than that You know, just you guys are my people and I just I love you to death man. So thank you so much Well, we're gonna have a spot here at collector station and I'm gonna get billed to get details on that because I want to I want to have it in the store because uh, you know, it's uh, it's one of those things that You can't unsee and or unused and you want to hey if you've got a half a good bone in your body You want to share it with somebody That's awesome, man. I can't thank you enough for there, right? Hey man. Where can everybody? You know buy direct learn more keep up watch feed. I you mentioned the YouTube but give all the handles Yeah, man. So like you guys I'm pretty much at the seat One day through Monday You were on a date days a week But Instagram is a place where I get a lot of direct messages and I answer them you know because I I and I will They answered this one. Yeah, I did that's So then same with a Facebook and then I'm on YouTube and then people go through my my emails, but the Kurt Kurt's card care is the website pretty much research the word Kurt's card care you'll find me All right, so that's but yeah, if you guys want to watch the weekly live show I do that Wednesday nights 10 p.m. EST on Instagram and I'll always grab a vintage card Pokemon card and a new card To show love to all my customers and all the stuff that they love to work on and collect And I've also I also take requests I write them down all week of what people are asking for what they want to learn So like I like to be interactive and just like run a kickass fun company that like my customers kind of drive it You know like I just kind of facilitate it and just let them have fun with it, you know, and that's that's important to me and that's how we do it Well, you got a fan here with me and Everything a collector nation. So I really appreciate you for coming on Kurt. I love your products Thank you Ryan. I am I am sincerely grateful for that dude. And I look forward to Connecting more Happy back again, cuz I want to get on all the projects you guys are working on and I can't wait to come out And see that wonderful story you're putting together exactly. We'd love to have you it's K-U-R-T-S That's Kurtz with a K-Curtz card care. We'll have all the links in The show notes and of course on the website the collector nation calm We're bringing you the best the brightest the coolest the innovative of collectibles and Trading cards here on the network. We appreciate Kurt. We appreciate you. We'll see you next time on the collector nation Thanks for tuning into the show Be sure to follow us on your go-to podcast platform and catch the full video episode over on YouTube Visit us at collector nation.com and follow Ryan on Instagram at Ryan Allford Now get out there and collect yours